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Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by hamburglar on Sunday May 12, 2019 @04:05AM (#19890760)
There's a huge difference between a luxury and something that indicates you have achieved a lavish and impressive lifestyle. A cup of coffee at starbucks is a luxury.
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by jpatokal on Sunday May 12, 2019 @04:19AM (#19890794)
Lavish and impressive is also relative. Your original statement about "these things are all rather unimpressive to those that actually have them within reach" is tautological: having a yacht with a helipad is not going to be particularly impressive to anyone else docked next to me in St Tropez, even if it puts all of us in the global 0.01%.
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by hamburglar on Sunday May 12, 2019 @04:25AM (#19890807)
I think there's a subtlety in my point that you're missing. When you can just barely manage a yacht with a helipad, you're impressed with yourself for being that successful. When you can comfortably afford it, you cease to consider it something to boast about.

But yes, your point is valid: it's all relative.

Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by phs318u on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:28AM (#19890954)
Off topic warning.

> A cup of coffee are starbucks is a luxury.

In Melbourne, Australia a coffee at Starbucks is considered:

1. A sign that you’re a tourist.

2. A sign that you’re a masochist.

3. A cry for help.

4. All of the above.

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself :)

Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by hamburglar on Sunday May 12, 2019 @03:00PM (#19893748)
:) Calling it a luxury isn't a judgment on whether or not it's any good. It just means its an expensive thing you don't actually need.
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by code_duck on Saturday May 18, 2019 @07:24PM (#19950287)
For me, in Denver, it means that it is 5:30 and nobody else is open yet.
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by dreamcompiler on Sunday May 12, 2019 @11:31AM (#19892489)
In Seattle, the corporate home of Starbucks, it's exactly the same :-)
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by enedil on Sunday May 12, 2019 @07:51AM (#19891356)
Care to explain?
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by phs318u on Sunday May 12, 2019 @08:19AM (#19891450)
A joke in poor taste. Melbournians are notorious coffee snobs. As jpatokal said, locals wouldn’t be caught dead in a Starbucks. Basically if the cup is taller than 4 fingers 8-10cm or the ingredients include anything other than coffee, water and milk, or it was made by percolating - then it’s not coffee as far as we’re concerned. It’s either dishwater or a confection of some sort. It may be a fact that Melbourne has more coffee shops per capita than any other place on earth.
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by js2 on Sunday May 12, 2019 @10:04AM (#19891962)
Those rules seem to eliminate both Turkish and Cuban coffee. That would be a shame.
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by phs318u on Sunday May 12, 2019 @04:34PM (#19894391)
Yeah, sorry - a modicum of sugar is allowed :)

(I love my Saturday morning Turkish)

Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by karianna on Monday May 13, 2019 @04:08AM (#19897116)
Wellington, NZ would like to have a word
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by jpatokal on Sunday May 12, 2019 @07:56AM (#19891375)
Melbourne is a mecca of coffee snobbery, and most locals wouldn't be caught dead in a Starbucks. (Although you need to try pretty hard even to find one.)
Re:What I gained, lost and learned while working for Microsoft by moogly on Sunday May 12, 2019 @09:48AM (#19891865)
Australia is one of the only markets where Starbucks' global domination strategy failed horribly due to several factors (I'm not an Aussie so I can't explain the cultural differences). IIRC, in 6-7 years, they opened ~100 locations only to close over 60 of them. Aussies tend to deride the chain and Starbucks themselves have pivoted and tend to mostly cater to tourists so as not to go under completely.