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Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by nullc on Saturday May 11, 2019 @11:47PM (#19890015)
The riders intentionally choose a less safe form of transit and gain many benefits from doing so, including lower fuel and maintenance cost. Good for them, but their noise is an externality: I shouldn't get less enjoyment from my home because someone decided to use a less safe but more cost efficient mode of transportation.

The loud noise also presumably causes something of an arms race with more acoustically insulated, less fuel efficient, cars.

The eventual alternative is outright banning the noise. I think paying for some of that externality would be better.

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by bartread on Sunday May 12, 2019 @02:30AM (#19890510)
I assume the noise complaints are primarily directed at Harley Davidsons with aftermarket pipes (or possibly any bike with aftermarket pipes), but...

> The riders intentionally choose a less safe form of transit and gain many benefits from doing so, including lower fuel and maintenance cost.

You've never actually owned or regularly ridden a motorcycle, have you?

They're as expensive, and often more expensive, to maintain than a car if they're your primary form of transport[1]. Service intervals tend to be much shorter (3750 - 10000 miles, depending on model), and tyres don't last anywhere near as long (2500 - 5000 miles, again, depending on the bike and the tyres). A new pair of good tyres (and you really want good tyres) is going to set you back about £300. When I was commuting 70 - 80 miles per day I was having to get my bike serviced and tyres replaced every 7 weeks.

The main reason I choose my bike over my car nine times out of ten is agency: I want to be able to decide how long a journey will take, not have it decided for me by the volume of traffic.

[1] Obviously this depends on the bike and car being compared, which can vary wildly - cheap(er) to run commuter bikes do exist, as per cars, but any kind of sports bike, mid-high end tourer, cruiser, roadster, etc., will probably have significant costs associated with maintenance.

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by ericd on Sunday May 12, 2019 @01:55PM (#19893370)
I used to ride a bike as my main transport. It really depends on your model. A Ninja 250 will be a lot cheaper than a car (especially when you count insurance), a CBR 600 that gets put through its paces, not so much.

But then, I wasn't keeping my bike in great tires/etc, and I wasn't commuting nearly as far as you.

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by thereisnospork on Sunday May 12, 2019 @12:13AM (#19890101)
I hate excessively loud bikes as much as anyone; there is a line between 'hearable' and 'earsplitting' that is often missed. Is not some noise, though, a de minimis appropriate compense for the danger associated with choosing a lighter weight, more environmental, and federal HOV-compliant vehicle? If the per person transportation ecologics and economics are favorable for bikes vs. cars shouldn't we look to improve the externalities (safety) around such transportation methods? Even if it comes with some externtalacious discomfort?

(fwiw my current vehicle is approximately the loudest allowable per federal regulations, because I enjoy the sound it makes, not safety per say.)

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by kuzehanka on Sunday May 12, 2019 @02:22AM (#19890487)
> because I enjoy the sound it makes

I don't. The worst way to start my day is to be woken up by some moron revving their Harley on the road near my home at 6.20am.

GP's point is that everyone is paying the price for the choices that operators of motorbikes make. No one wants to listen to 'loudest allowable per federal regulations' riding past their family home after-hours. That price needs to be factored into the cost of operating a motorbike/truck/other loud transport near population centres.

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by thereisnospork on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @07:07PM (#19914717)
>I don't. The worst way to start my day is to be woken up by some moron revving their Harley on the road near my home at 6.20am.

That might be relevant if those Harley's were anywhere near the legal dB limit.

P.S. the hate I'm getting here for stating that I follow the law, to the letter, on noise regulations is insane. If you/anyone think a straight pipe Harley is close to legal check your facts.

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by ohyeshedid on Sunday May 12, 2019 @02:55AM (#19890562)
"I hate excessively loud bikes as much as anyone..."

"(fwiw my current vehicle is approximately the loudest allowable per federal regulations, because I enjoy the sound it makes, not safety per say.)"

These two statements don't balance.

Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by thereisnospork on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @07:06PM (#19914707)
The loudest allowable is far less loud than what you or anyone else would call a 'loud' bike - that balances fine.
Re:Is Noise Pollution the Next Big Public-Health Crisis? by inflatableDodo on Sunday May 12, 2019 @02:08AM (#19890450)
>fwiw my current vehicle is approximately the loudest allowable per federal regulations

I believe Dennis Leary wrote a song about this kind of thing.