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Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by colek42 on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:08AM (#19877829)
If you need to get in a house you own in an emergency that could cost 100's of thousands of dollars why wouldn't you just break a window, or call a locksmith? I don't think the tenant would be responsible for these damages unless the incident was caused by their negligence.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by criley2 on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:12AM (#19877859)
I'm not a lawyer but in many states these liability claims go through a system which determines the % of liability for each party.

A tenant illegally locking their landlord out and causing delay of several hours for a time-sensitive emergency would almost assuredly get a lot more % liability blame than a tenant who properly gave their landlord a copy of the key and who was able to give access to the plumber immediately.

Hopefully they have enough renters insurance to cover the claim and their insurance company will handle the court side of things when other tenants sue!

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by 0xffff2 on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:57AM (#19878377)
>A tenant illegally locking their landlord out...

That's not the question at hand at all though. The question is what kind of liability you incur by legally locking your landlord out.

IANAL, but I'd guess that if you change the locks in a state where it's not legal to do so you're totally hosed in terms of liability. I have no idea how liable and to what degree renter's insurance would cover you if you change the locks in a state that guarantees your right to do so.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by secabeen on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:39PM (#19882007)
I don't think there's any state that allows you to change the locks and not give the landlord access.

I've rented an over-the-garage studio in the past, and the landlord came in one time without notice when I was away because the supply line to the toilet burst and there was water dripping from the garage ceiling. That's the sort of emergency we're talking about here, where a landlord needs immediate access, and any delay will cause additional structural damage.

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Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by umanwizard on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:38AM (#19878152)
Can you elaborate on what you’re talking about?
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by vraivroo on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:44AM (#19878225)
It's not legal for landlords to enter rented homes as they please, even in America.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by criley2 on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:28PM (#19879348)
This is false. It's up to state law but generally speaking landlords can enter the premises without warning in case of an emergency, and can otherwise enter the premises for nearly any reason (inspection, routine maintenance, showing prospective clients, etc) with a 24 hour notice. Some states may increase that 24 hour notice to 48 hours, but yes a property owner can enter their property.

This is one of those cases where owners have rights too, and renters who want more rights should consider owning.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by jdmichal on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:50AM (#19878294)
It's a common carve out in most states to allow immediate access for "emergency access", which is why everyone in the thread is discussing exactly that.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by whttheuuu on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:22AM (#19877952)
You sir would be incorrect.