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Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by phreenet on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:30AM (#19876783)
Is there anyone else that cannot stand the numpad being put onto a laptop keyboard? The laptop looks good enough but the keyboard layout means I would never get one.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by byproxy on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:13PM (#19879169)
I love having the numpad available. It's just such a better way to enter numbers and do calculations.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by ken on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:53PM (#19883393)
That's what an Fn key is for. You can add a numeric keypad right under where the user's hand already is. No need to make everyone type with their hands way off to the side.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by jjeaff on Saturday May 11, 2019 @03:25PM (#19887937)
Fn option is Not nearly as good. Keys aren't lined up correctly and you cant tell where you are by feel.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by kkarakk on Saturday May 11, 2019 @02:57AM (#19884976)
Context switching overhead
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by Ndymium on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:41AM (#19876832)
Me too, I use tenkeyless keyboards on my desktops and don't have a need for a numpad in a laptop. I know some people type a lot of numbers but personally I have no use for it, and doing without it allows for better positioning and sizing of the normal keyboard.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by dhimes on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:42AM (#19876838)
I'm on the other side. I like the numpad, but I wish there was another place for it. But then, I also use a mouse!
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by the8472 on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:21PM (#19879261)
You can get a TKL keyboard and an external numpad. Then you can put the numpad in some other location around the keyboard/mouse combo.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by mclehman on Saturday May 11, 2019 @02:33AM (#19884920)
>I wish there was another place for it.

There is! With a programmable (preferably grid-layout) keyboard, you can have a numpad accessible from the homerow.

Edit: I do realize this can be inconvenient at times, but I primarily use an external keyboard with my laptop.

Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by systemtest on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:05AM (#19876944)
I want my hands to be in the middle of the laptop. No numpad for me please.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by nine_k on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:22PM (#19879277)
Numpad in the middle of a split keyboard could be somehow sensible.

Then make the split keyboard ergonomic, like ergodox, and add a trackpoint.

Sadly, likely too radical for a business laptop.

Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by randlet on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:31PM (#19880128)
Oh yes please! I am a diehard Kinesis Freestyle user and would kill for a split keyboard laptop.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by tepidandroid on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:22PM (#19879275)
Definitely. It ruins the aesthetics and is completely unnecessary . If I really, really need one, i'd rather just use an externally dongle'd numpad.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by rhinoceraptor on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:56PM (#19881649)
The rest of this laptop is horrific and tacky, it's not the worst of its aesthetic issues IMO.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by NullPrefix on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:25PM (#19880057)
A choice between aesthetics and usability.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by erik on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:37PM (#19880208)
I find an off-centre keyboard to be a bigger usability problem than not having a numpad.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by panpanna on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:39AM (#19877555)
It depends. If you are a cad person that numpad is probably a requirement.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by rbanffy on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:26PM (#19879323)
I find it terrible. It moves the keyboard/trackpad off-center.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by PascLeRasc on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:39PM (#19879492)
A lot of manufacturers with poor taste react to that by offsetting the trackpad to the left, so it's only usable with one hand. What really bothers me about most laptops is the fonts used on the keyboards. I haven't seen a good one yet other than Apple's San Francisco.
Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by humblebee on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:38PM (#19880845)
My issue with the laptop is it looks like the kind of laptop I'd expect to see someone that is wearing a fake Rolex to have.

Completely baseless but it's all I think of when I see it. Just looks like a snobby laptop.

I think it's largely because of the brand stickers.

Re:HP Spectre 15 x360 2019 review: Carving a niche in a crow... by sixothree on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:52PM (#19881616)
It depends on whether you want a laptop for work, or for something else. I hate watching people struggle on crippled systems.,