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Re:United Nations Expert Arrested in Tunisia for Using an RT... by ars on Thursday May 09, 2019 @02:32AM (#19865897)
> I'm curious - the government/military have tanks, aircraft, nuclear weapons etc. There is a massive imbalance of power regardless of whether citizens have guns.

Well look at lessons from history - which of those weapons end up actually being used against rebelling citizens of a country?

From my limited knowledge it's hand weapons plus armored vehicles, and rarely, very rarely, tanks.

Against that an armed populace can stand. Plus don't forget the populace would be a guerrilla force, while the government would be visible.

A typical scenario: The government wants to arrest someone. What weapons would they use? Not heavy ones! If the citizens have no weapons the government doesn't need any weapons at all, but if the citizens have someone as simple as hand guns suddenly things are not so simple for the government.

In short: The government doesn't want to wipe out its own citizens (nuclear weapons? seriously?) they want to selectively remove undesirables. And against that, personal weapons are quite effective.

Re:United Nations Expert Arrested in Tunisia for Using an RT... by barry-cotter on Thursday May 09, 2019 @05:17AM (#19866607)
If the US government thinks rebels are a real threat to its territorial integrity or sovereignty the laws of armed conflict will be abandoned in short order and they’ll use every advantage they have to crush rebellion. If the ATF can do Ruby Ridge and Waco and get away Scot free with precalculated murder (the first) or setting tens of people on fire deliberately and interfering with evidence what do you think the military would do with a threat they were taking seriously? They’d kill everything that moved. The Russians have shown the world how effective guerillas are against state backed monsters in Chechnya. Monsters win. The fact that the US can’t ein in Afghanistan with its rules of engagement is a fact about the RoE, not the US capacity to defeat insurgencies.
Re:United Nations Expert Arrested in Tunisia for Using an RT... by CamperBob2 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @07:48PM (#19873671)
If the ATF can do Ruby Ridge and Waco and get away Scot free with precalculated murder (the first)

But they didn't get away scot free, did they? Among other consequences, the governments' actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco inspired a couple of psychos (McVeigh and Nichols) to commit an atrocity of their own to take revenge. [1]

Fast-forward to the occupation of the Malheur refuge by the Branch Dildonians several years later. This time, the government waited them out. They knew better than to take a third swing at the hornet's nest. They were arguably afraid to go up against US citizens using violence as a first resort.

You can see that as a good thing -- and I do -- without having any sympathy at all for the beliefs and actions of the Malheur occupiers, with McVeigh, or with Randy Weaver for that matter.

[1] https://www.history.com/news/how-ruby-ridge-and-waco-led-to-...

Re:United Nations Expert Arrested in Tunisia for Using an RT... by barry-cotter on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:35AM (#19877098)
> But they didn't get away scot free, did they? Among other consequences, the governments' actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco inspired a couple of psychos (McVeigh and Nichols) to commit an atrocity of their own to take revenge.

No one was charged or convicted as a result of Ruby Ridge or Waco. No one involved was fired or demoted. No one paid any personal price for killing people who need not have died, or for destroying and tampering with evidence. Everyone involved got away Scot free.

Re:United Nations Expert Arrested in Tunisia for Using an RT... by koenigdavidmj on Thursday May 09, 2019 @09:48AM (#19868228)