Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by Xylakant on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:36PM
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Belt drives are comparatively expensive and don’t work with derailleur gears. Internal gears, especially cheap systems, still cannot offer as many gears as a derailleur. Belts also need to be pretty tight and thus cannot be used on most bicycles with a rear suspension as the distance between the pedals and the sprocket changes under load. So many people opt against belts.
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Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by blacksmith_tb on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:55PM
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I have seen quite a few belts on internally geared hubs - a quick search turns up quite a few[1] commuters shipping w/ belt + Nexus internal hub.
1: https://www.bikeexchange.com/blog/best-urban-belt-drive-bike...
Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by Xylakant on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:04PM
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Absolutely: internal gear hubs are the only gears you can use with belts. They just tend to be substantially more expensive for the same amount of gears as a comparative derailleur. Internal gears also tend to have a higher friction than derailleur gears - the really good ones such as a Rohloff speedhub cost > 1000 EUR. Even a comparatively mundane Alfine 11 gear costs ~ 400-500 EUR. A pinion gear isn’t exactly cheap either.
In return you get a mostly maintenance free setup. It’s great, but I probably wouldn’t opt for it for a city commuter bike.
Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by mrob on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:15PM
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And most belts are a permanently closed loop, unlike chains which can be opened and closed. This means you need an special frame with an openable rear triangle.
Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by Xylakant on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:20PM
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It doesn’t actually need to open, but the frame must be built to support belts. The lower bar of the rear triangle must pass over the belt.
Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by tiew9Vii on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @06:22PM
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Interesting comments about the suspension. Several models of motorcycles use belt drive and they have both front/rear suspension.
BMW uses them on some of the F models, Buell’s where all belt drive and I think all Harley’s use a belt transmission.
Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by cladari on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:09PM
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There are plenty of motorcycles with belt drive, the suspension doesn't seem to be a problem.
Re:Driven – A bicycle drivechain concept without derailleurs...
by abakker on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:16PM
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motorcycles have different issues. The gear changes are internal inside the transmission, not in the belt drive line. Also, bikes tend to have multi-link suspension with chain growth through the travel. This allows the suspension to be reactive to pedaling forces to reduce rider induced pedal-bob that eats efficiency.