Re:What If Unhappiness Contains the Secret to Happiness?
by malvosenior on Monday May 06, 2019 @10:56AM
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Can you give an example of a society you’re describing? One with power structures not “subverted by the amoral”? One that produced the positive vision of cooperation at scale that you say existed?
I can’t think of any.
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Re:What If Unhappiness Contains the Secret to Happiness?
by malvosenior on Monday May 06, 2019 @01:32PM
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FDR seems like a very odd example of compassion based leadership. The US was literally killing millions of people under his watch and he setup the Manhattan project which culminated in dropping two atomic bombs. I won't even make a moral judgement on any of that, it just doesn't seem like an example of the a cooperative and peaceful society that you're talking about.
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Re:What If Unhappiness Contains the Secret to Happiness?
by malvosenior on Monday May 06, 2019 @03:25PM
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Yeah, you can stop calling me a fool. Like I said I'm not making any value judgments. If anything your example disproves your own point. The reality is that humans are not harmonious by nature at scale and the people in charge are always going to be powerful and practical ("amoral" in your terminology). If they weren't, the systems would collapse or be taken over by a competitor who is more effective.
Edit: we're done here. You obviously can't have an intelligent and respectful discussion.
We need to work in societies to prosper and survive, and cooperation is the best way to achieve that. Our failure is that, at larger scales, we have not applied the proper systems thinking to ensure that the ruthless and amoral cannot game the system for their own personal gain at the expense of the society and the Earth itself.
Those with power will always promote competition because they have all the advantages; as well, they will denigrate cooperation because their excesses will be seen for the unnecessary drain on resources they are. Thus, we have the corporate lawyers and lobbyists making the laws and regulations that are supposed to rein them in.