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Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday May 05, 2019 @03:44PM (#19834591)
But there is this important tidbit:

> The observation that housing returns are similar to equity returns, but much less volatile, is puzzling. Like Shiller (2000), we find that long-run capital gains on housing are relatively low, around 1% p.a. in real terms, and considerably lower than capital gains in the stock market. However, the rental yield component is typically considerably higher and more stable than the dividend yield of equities so that total returns are of comparable magnitude.

In other words, it's the rental yield, not the capital gains, that make up for the difference.

I'd also add the "past performance is no guarantee of future results" caveat. The time period studied was one of immense population growth, so in advanced economies with plummeting birthrates a different primary driving factor could take hold.

Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by ianai on Sunday May 05, 2019 @04:16PM (#19834799)
Wonder whether REIT stocks act more like RE or equity stocks in that regard.
Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by barry-cotter on Sunday May 05, 2019 @10:22PM (#19836373)
If you’re buying a diversified basket of real estate assets it should behave like real estate over the long term. As a tradable security with a deep and liquid market measured volatility will probably be higher but that’s going to be more a function of far more frequent changes in partial ownership than actual changes in underlying value.
Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by atdt on Sunday May 05, 2019 @04:49PM (#19834966)
Do REITs provide exposure to rental gains?
Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by ianai on Sunday May 05, 2019 @04:52PM (#19834983)
Absolutely. In order to qualify they must pass through 90% of their profit as dividends. Just be sure to chose REITs that invest in real estate the way you want.
Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by bcherny on Sunday May 05, 2019 @04:37PM (#19834915)
Still reading, but is that factoring in the labor and opportunity cost of managing a rental property?
Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by phkahler on Sunday May 05, 2019 @05:53PM (#19835322)
I'm pretty sure you dont try to factor opportunity costs into an investment. You only compare returns of different investments. Labor is a legit expense weather you pay someone or maintain your own rental property. Maybe that's what you meant, you own opportunity to do higher paying work?
Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by bcherny on Sunday May 05, 2019 @05:57PM (#19835336)
I mean, I can:

1. Invest in an index fund, which I deposit into automatically every month, at X% return and Y% risk.

2. Invest in a rental property, which I then have to spend time to manage (or pay someone to manage), at the same X% return and Y% risk.

I wondering how you're supposed to account for the difference between the two. Even if I don't hire someone to manage my property, I still have to spend time managing it, which can have a significant opportunity cost.

Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by phkahler on Monday May 06, 2019 @09:51AM (#19839357)
>> Even if I don't hire someone to manage my property, I still have to spend time managing it, which can have a significant opportunity cost.

I am not a finance person, but it seems you're talking about two possible investments. One in a rental property and one with your time. If you manage the rental yourself then there is an opportunity cost where your time may have been better spent somewhere else. If you pay to have it maintained/managed then you are free to invest your time in whatever you like. You need to figure out the value of your time to make sense of it.

Re:The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015 [pdf] by chii on Sunday May 05, 2019 @07:19PM (#19835701)
You simply take out the cost from the returns. If it's true that both increments have X% return (at Y % risk), then the index fund which don't require the extra maintenance cost is higher yield.

The real issue is you won't know Y until afterwards.