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Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by userbinator on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:29PM (#19823956)
protecting 99.999% of the users

It is horribly paternalistic to advocate for keeping users ignorant, unlearning, and --- dare I say it --- easily manipulated.

I will refrain from mentioning again that infamous Franklin quote. I am frankly very fucking pissed off by this authoritarian walled-garden trend, and vehemently oppose anyone who helps this industry put the nooses around the necks of others as well as their own.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by macintux on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:34PM (#19823984)
I’ve been in software development and operations for 25 years.

I still don’t want to have to understand everything I ever touch, even if I could.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by mrob on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:09PM (#19824143)
>I still don’t want to have to understand everything I ever touch

If you don't understand it, don't touch it. The default settings should work for most users. There can even be a warning against touching without understanding, like with Firefox's about:config. The offensive thing is preventing users from touching even if they do understand.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by sfink on Saturday May 04, 2019 @12:14PM (#19827332)
The difficulty is in how to keep them available to end users while keeping them unavailable to malware and bad actors who post "helpful" advice or publish temporarily useful addons that get updated to malware.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the right mechanism is not straightforward to figure out, and you'll always be in a game of cat and mouse. One that sucks resources from whatever other useful stuff you might be spending your (or Mozilla's) time on.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by Wowfunhappy on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:37PM (#19823998)
I'm not understanding the relationship. Of course users aren't going to understand all the underpinnings of how software works.

I do think that in the future, it will be imperative for everyone to have some level of technological literacy above what is currently the average. And I'd like to work to get to that point, instead of taking all the tools away because they're too dangerous.

Also, sensible defaults are good! Hiding dangerous settings is also good! What's not okay is making those settings completely unavailable. At least in Firefox's case you have the option to recompile the source code, but that should not be the only recourse...

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by swiley on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:41PM (#19824018)
"don't run privileged code from people you don't trust." Is both critically important to understand for anyone using a network connected computer and not at all complicated.

If we're going to be authoritarian I would rather ban anyone who doesn't understand that from connecting to the internet then have a broken walled garden.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by datguacdoh on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:03PM (#19824115)
> "don't run privileged code from people you don't trust." Is both critically important to understand for anyone using a network connected computer and not at all complicated.

That is absolutely complicated for the vast majority of the world's internet users. No one else is my family would understand what the hell "privileged code" means and shouldn't have to.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by Wowfunhappy on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:32PM (#19824260)
The statement can be simplified down to "don't run programs downloaded from random websites which ask for your admin password."

Adjust the qualifier at the end depending on your platform. On Windows, it might be apps that present a UAC dialogue—or maybe just remove the qualifier, since Windows doesn't do much sandboxing by default.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by simcop2387 on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:28PM (#19824236)
The issue here is that this wasn't done in a vacuum. Other software vendors were secretly and deceptively installing extensions that were tracking everything users were doing online.
Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by lvh on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:56PM (#19824346)
Most people do not know what a manifest.json is or what sort of permissions they're handing to a random WebExtension.

If you want your freedom from reviewed extensions: fine, get an unbranded Firefox, or Developer edition, and you get that.

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by Wowfunhappy on Saturday May 04, 2019 @10:58AM (#19826819)
A Developer Edition is unstable, so I wouldn’t want to use that.

If you can recommend an fork that allows extension sideloading but is kept up to date, please do so, I’ve been looking...

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by Wowfunhappy on Saturday May 04, 2019 @11:20AM (#19826972)
Okay, figured it out. Thank you for giving me the search term "Unbranded Firefox"—I didn't realize this referred to something specific.

Unbranded Firefox is actually a specific version of Firefox distributed by Mozilla, which allows you to disable extension signing requirements. I am very glad to see that they offer this, and I will be using it from now on.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing#Unbranded...

Re:All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate... by shstalwart on Saturday May 04, 2019 @02:22AM (#19824781)
Completely agree. Using firefox feels more and more like using an iThing.