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Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by jandrewrogers on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:58PM (#19820101)
The cost to employers of very good plans massively increased after ACA went into effect. When this changeover happened, I was running a company where we paid 100% for one of the best healthcare plans available in the state for both the employees and their families -- people really appreciated this benefit. This was the polar opposite of a "crappy plan", and it wasn't inexpensive to begin with.

After the ACA, this plan became so expensive so quickly that continuing this plan became nearly untenable financially and now these types of plans have become increasingly unavailable in any case due to that cost escalation. If you were formerly on one of these plans, of course the post-ACA environment seems like a big step backward. This happened in one of the deepest of blue states; the Republicans can't be blamed for the destruction of health insurance benefits here because they were never involved. The cost of healthcare here has not risen nearly as fast as the cost of providing top-tier healthcare benefits did.

Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by tfandango on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:52PM (#19821195)
This happened to me. I had what is considered a "Cadillac plan" which my employer offered generously as a benefit. After ACA, the government began to tax that plan and our public company could not justify that while other companies in our market were offering much lower quality plans. Thus my medical spending rose by thousands of dollars per year (also thanks to an unfortunate @$3000 hospital stay but that would have cost me $250 on my old plan). The old plan did of course come with a lifetime max but obviously was not a factor at my age yet.

I think the ACA does good things for people who needed it. And generally I've been against repealing it, but only because there has not been an adequate replacement as part of the repeal, only "trust us, we'll do something great".

Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by pnutjam on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:15PM (#19820232)
What was the lifetime max on this plan? It probably would have left people out in the cold when they most needed it. I don't think it's wrong to expect insurance to cover people when they most need it, which was largely not true with million dollar lifetime caps.

Even with the ACA, employers have the best of both worlds. Expensive older people are covered by the government, and anyone who gets to expensive can be shuffled off with a little cover and the joy of "at-will" employment.

Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by jandrewrogers on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:06PM (#19821298)
The lifetime max was multiple millions, I don't remember the exact number. As I stated, it was just about the best policy available for any amount of money. There is no credible way to spin this as actually being worse for those employees. I like to hire "expensive older" engineers, so dialing healthcare benefits up to eleven was intended to attract that kind of employee.

All insurance policies have implicit lifetime maximums, unless the laws of economics and finance have been repealed.

Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by rayiner on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:19PM (#19821404)
> What was the lifetime max on this plan? It probably would have left people out in the cold when they most needed it. I don't think it's wrong to expect insurance to cover people when they most need it, which was largely not true with million dollar lifetime caps.

Note that lifetime caps are a lot more generous than what they have in say the UK, where you don’t get treatment if it costs more than $50-75k per year of extended life. (So to blow through a million dollars, the treatment would have to be expected to produce 15-20 years of extra healthy life. Most treatments offered when people “need it the most” can’t make that sort of promise).

Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by mattlondon on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:31PM (#19821501)
> Note that lifetime caps are a lot more generous than what they have in say the UK, where you don’t get treatment if it costs more than $50-75k per year of extended life

Do you have any data for that? Sounds odd.

Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by rayiner on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:07PM (#19821796)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28983924. It’s not odd at all. It’s a basic thing that makes the UK’s health system work. US insurers (in the past) would piss away a half a million or a million on uncertain treatments. (And then the family would go out of pocket, go broke, and there would be an article on medical bankruptcies.) The UK doesn’t do that. Instead, it’s very aggressive about justifying costs with expected outcomes.
Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by bradstewart on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:20PM (#19820281)
This happened with my employer as well. And this is/was before the "Cadillac tax" came into effect (I believe it's been pushed back to 2020 now).
Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by mrosett on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:25PM (#19820324)
This is exactly the point I was trying to make in my original comment. Really good healthcare plans (with minimal deductibles and great coverage) used to be a benefit that employers could reasonably provide. Employees/family members who got sick would get good coverage without going broke. Now the cost is of providing that kind of coverage is completely untenable.
Re:Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible He... by lotsofpulp on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:37PM (#19820450)
I don’t see what the purpose of pointing out the fact of health insurance being cheaper when it doesn’t have to provide coverage for people who actually used healthcare. Goal is to provide all of society with healthcare, problem is voters didn’t want to pay with their tax dollars. Now they get to pay with their insurance premium dollars. There never was a free lunch, only people who were unable to get health insurance.