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Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by ggggtez on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:14PM (#19811547)
That's not what the above poster said, and you know it. You say "marginally", "anyone", "mocking". But the people in question aren't anyone, and they aren't just mocking.

There are specific cases of them calling on their fans to harass private citizens. Anyone with some semblance of awareness of US law knows free speech is not without limits. No one is entitled to online speech, believe it or not.

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by Veen on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:46PM (#19811956)
I suppose you’re aware that it’s not unknown for members of the trans community to “call on their fans to harass private citizens”. Would you like them banned too? In fact, Milo has been the victim of many such calls for harassment.

To be clear, I had personal interactions with Milo many years ago when he ran a technology magazine in the UK. I’ve never met a more unpleasant individual and I would be happy to never hear from him again, but progressives working hand-in-hand with corporations to ban obnoxious individuals is a slope I don’t want us to start sliding down.

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by viraptor on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:20PM (#19812384)
> for members of the trans community to “call on their fans to harass private citizens”

And you're free to raise that issue on its own merit when it happens. You're also welcome to report it to the social network it's posted on for moderation/banning. This does not change anything about banning Milo.

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by Veen on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:30AM (#19816834)
You avoided the question. Do you think members of the trans community who call for the harassment of private citizens should be banned from Facebook?
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by viraptor on Friday May 03, 2019 @08:12AM (#19817652)
Yes, I did. I'm familiar with Milo situation, but not with situations you have in mind. I'm happy with Facebook banning anyone breaking their policies. I do not agree with many of their policies. In general, I'd expect the answer would be "yes" - but without knowing specific cases and what you mean by "harassment", I can't answer.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by Veen on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:39AM (#19818293)
So for you this is an issue of property rights? Facebook owns the platform and so they can ban whomever they like for breaching their policies, which they should be free to choose without interference?
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by tathougies on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:45PM (#19812682)
> There are specific cases of them calling on their fans to harass private citizens. Anyone with some semblance of awareness of US law knows free speech is not without limits. No one is entitled to online speech, believe it or not.

So will CNN, MSNBC, and the Washington Post be banned from facebook for setting hundreds of doxxers and activists on a high school kid who smiled in a red hat?

Man, the lack of introspection in this thread is astounding.

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by sdenton4 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @08:53PM (#19814509)
So it's ok for Alex Jones to encourage doxxing constantly forever because some bad reporting happened in the main stream media once? Got it.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by tenpies on Thursday May 02, 2019 @10:51PM (#19815100)
> once?

How fast we forget: https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-tr...

Or take your pick of mainstream media openly inciting violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw9kyYEwg2

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by tathougies on Thursday May 02, 2019 @10:46PM (#19815075)
No not at all. I think they should be banned along with CNN and MSNBC. I don't see why when I suggested banning those two news outlets you immediately assumed it was nuts and the argument was to urban Alex Jones.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by SantalBlush on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:39AM (#19815611)
They should be suspended with a warning, yes. If they continue to do it, they should be banned.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by naasking on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:41PM (#19811897)
> No one is entitled to online speech, believe it or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by viraptor on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:16PM (#19812338)
This is not relevant. Some people get the right to internet access. They don't get the right to say what they want where they want without moderation.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by naasking on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:20PM (#19812387)
Not irrelevant. The OP said that "no one is entitled to online speech". That's an unqualified statement which my link disproves. If they had instead qualified it as, "no one has a right to speech on Facebook", that's a different claim (arguably also false depending on the circumstances).
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by belltaco on Thursday May 02, 2019 @11:11PM (#19815195)
The post is about the US, your link shows the right exists only in about 6 countries, none of which are the US.So it's irrelevant.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by naasking on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:05PM (#19819601)
Once again, the statement was unqualified, "no one has the right to..." And once again, my link literally proves this statement to be false, because as you just admitted, at least some people do have that right.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by DanBC on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:08PM (#19819623)
You seem to be confusing two different rights.

The right to Internet access is not the right to say whatever you like on the Internet.

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by naasking on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:34PM (#19821530)
I suggest reading the first sentence from the link I posted.
Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by DanBC on Saturday May 04, 2019 @02:55AM (#19824896)
But you seem to think "freedom of expression" == "freedom to say what you like", and that's clearly wrong because Europe has rights to freedom of expression (article 10) but you can't say what you like in Europe.

I'd suggest that you take the time to understand the links you post.

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by naasking on Saturday May 04, 2019 @11:48AM (#19827170)
> But you seem to think "freedom of expression" == "freedom to say what you like"

Where did I say this?

Re:Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWar... by hajile on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:44PM (#19812674)
That is just an appeal to authority. Once upon a time, that same kind of authority said certain races were sub-human and had few or no rights. The question of whether or not it is a right is completely separate from the current trend of those in power.