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Re:Redesigning Trust: Blockchain for Supply Chains by ska on Thursday May 02, 2019 @02:55PM (#19811298)
That just punts on the problem. It's basically not solvable - at some point you have to trust humans anyway.

The only reason this works well for, say, bitcoins, is that they are a digital "asset" created on the chain themselves. Everything else trying to tie a physical asset to a chain has the same problem, you can't do it without relying on trust outside the system.

Re:Redesigning Trust: Blockchain for Supply Chains by blotter_paper on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:36PM (#19811830)
I think you're fundamentally correct, but with the caveat that trust inside the system can be the basis for trust outside the system via Zahavian signalling and/or escrow. As a simple dumb example, if an institution sends a million dollars to a burn address then I can probably trust that institution to handle half a million dollars in assets at a time without screwing over their customers (if they didn't intend to act fairly and make back that money over time through sustainable business practices they wouldn't have burned it in the first place). It's trickier than that -- you have to consider whether this is a sunk cost in a given context, if all customers are on the same page about what assets the institution is handling, etc. -- but the basic idea is there. Escrow is more clever than a burn pile, but could lead to some weird situations where one side attempts to extort the other for most of the escrow's value, and simply making both sides pony up doesn't obviously solve this (though it goes a long way).
Re:Redesigning Trust: Blockchain for Supply Chains by frm210 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:06PM (#19811451)
Sure, but you have to trust less humans. You only need to trust the source, without needing to trust the middle-men.
Re:Redesigning Trust: Blockchain for Supply Chains by hef19898 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:29PM (#19811712)
So in case of e.g. a fridge the source would be some copper mine in Africa and the other end be Amazon Logistics that delivers the fridge to your house? When you draw the line somewhere else the issue to be solved it balancing transparency, trust, willingness of the channel master to share information and the tendency for powerful entities to form.
Re:Redesigning Trust: Blockchain for Supply Chains by JumpCrisscross on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:04PM (#19811419)
> Everything else trying to tie a physical asset to a chain has the same problem

Agree that “blockchain for supply chain” is inherently flawed. But there are hypothetical (if currently unfeasible) use cases. For example, derive a cryptographic key from a carcass’ DNA. Now you have a good physical-digital nexus. Or, for electronics, measure some random and hard-to-replicate analog jitter.