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Re:The many human errors that brought down the Boeing 737 Max by Apes on Thursday May 02, 2019 @10:29AM (#19808260)
The thing is, in each if these lessons, it's not the engineers who have anything to learn, but the people making business decisions. Every one of these stories has an engineer saying, "I think this is a bad idea," only to be overridden by someone making business decisions.

There is more value from these lessons being be taught in MBAs, and I don't think they are.

No amount of engineering safety can overcome unsafe business leadership.

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Re:The many human errors that brought down the Boeing 737 Max by mannykannot on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:03AM (#19818509)
At least in the space shuttle cases, the people overriding the concerns were themselves engineers. The idea that managers, not engineers, cause failures is simplistic.

Take, for example, the Thiokol engineer who told Roger Boisjoly's wife that if the Challenger inquiry led to Thiokol's shutdown, he would leave his kids on Boisjoly's doorstep - was that sound engineering reasoning?

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