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Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @06:28PM (#19792645)
After reading this article, all I can say is ... ugh. What I really wanted to know was "Where does the energy come from?", and the article didn't answer that at all.

The world doesn't really have a "carbon" problem, it has an energy problem, and right now carbon fuels are the cheapest, most abundant source of energy. Even if you somehow got carbon capture to work, you're still going to have to power it - with solar, or wind, nuclear, geothermal, whatever. At that point, then the question just becomes whether using the storage medium of gas is better than the storage medium of something else, like batteries. But the article doesn't go into the core question of where the energy is coming from to turn CO2 into gas.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by paulsutter on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @06:35PM (#19792683)
I would bet photovoltaic. Lowest cost per watt, the process can likely be designed to tolerate day/night variations, and the plant can be located where the sun shines.
Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by amluto on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @08:05PM (#19793276)
Or nuclear. A big nuclear plant could be built somewhere with cheap land, no earthquakes, and minimal weather. You don’t even need electric transmission infrastructure.

If the capital costs are low enough, cheap or free spot electricity could be used, too. California regularly has excess production.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by m463 on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:21PM (#19793712)
That would be ironic.

We would gradually go from coal and (natural gas) powered electric cars, to nuclear powered ICE cars.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by gridspy on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:56PM (#19793867)
I think the point is that we

1. Keep making more electric cars 2. Rather than throwing away ICE cars, we give them better fuel to use.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by amluto on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @10:25AM (#19797251)
There are also ICE farm and construction vehicles, airplanes, generators in rural areas, pumps, etc. Gasoline is an extremely convenient fuel.
Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by rmcginnis on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @10:51PM (#19794117)
Agreed!
Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by effie on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @12:00PM (#19860123)
> The world doesn't really have a "carbon" problem, it has an energy problem

This is a very narrow-minded mistaken viewpoint. The world does have a serious problem with CO2 building up in the atmosphere. It also has energy need to sustain the current living standard and pace of development, but this is not a serious problem such as CO2! We could decide and enforce giving up the insane power consumption of today. But we cannot decide to pronounce the existing CO2 in the atmosphere and its destabilizing effect on climate to be a non-problem.

> carbon fuels are the cheapest, most abundant source of energy.

No, they are not. Carbohydrate fuel is the most convenient way to transport and use, but not the cheapest source of energy. The cheapest source of energy is renewables and possibly nuclear, if massive investments were made into infrastrusture and safety.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by bifrost on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @06:36PM (#19792699)
At the end of the day - does it matter where it came from?

They could be like Tesla and build a solar arm, or a wind farm, or do geothermal. You could pull it out of the grid and it'd still be better for the environment than pulling it out of the ground.

TBH saying the world doesn't have a carbon problem contradicts all of the people fighting greenhouse gas emission based climate change so I'm curious as to your logic behind that statement.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by b_tterc_p on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @07:43PM (#19793137)
The logic is that you need to power the carbon extraction, and right now we use fossil fuels for power, so you wouldn’t be able to net reduce fossil fuels because you would be burning more than you extract.

I think it’s naive though. There is a theoretical point at which it’s economical to just build excess renewable energy production and use the extra power to repair the climate.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by joe_the_user on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:58PM (#19793880)
The logic is that you need to power the carbon extraction, and right now we use fossil fuels for power, so you wouldn’t be able to net reduce fossil fuels because you would be burning more than you extract.

Currently, we use a mix of hydrocarbon, hydroelectric, photovoltaic, wind and nuclear for power generation. Photovoltaic is quite economical for daylight and so using intermittent power for this process carbon capture process seems reasonable. Broadly, this could serve as a power sink to balance solar output, a way to use renewables for transportation and a way to suck carbon out of the atmosphere. Not all of those at once but just doing some of that seems like a win.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by b_tterc_p on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @01:35PM (#19799547)
Sort of. It’s just that if the solar power could be used to meet energy demands or stored in batteries, that is a more efficient solution than using energy to clean the atmosphere (because otherwise the gap will be made up with fossil fuels which will be more costly in total energy) so for any economically rational environment (which are most places) where wasted energy is not being produced, we would need to invest in extra energy producing infrastructure in order to justify doing this.

And that’s ok, I think that such an investment could be profitable. It has plenty of positive externality effects too.

Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by bifrost on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @08:06PM (#19793281)
I'd agree that outside of California it might be problematic, but we have so much renewable in the grid it'd be trivial to do properly. I also think using excess power to remove carbon is ultimately a good idea.
Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by b_tterc_p on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @07:39PM (#19793115)
I’m sure a lot of places have excess energy production that batteries can’t store. Gas is relatively easy to transport long distances. Seems like a variety of ways to decrease fossil fuel outputs seem likely. Then, at a future state, you could just do this as a way to terraform the planet (if that’s the right term?) back to a pre industrial state, as much as possible
Re:A Quest to Make Gasoline Out of Thin Air: Prometheus (YC ... by cyrix100 on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:19PM (#19793706)
Normally there is a small energy base load constantly generated below varying renewables and other forms such as hydro and fossil are dispatched as demand increases. Just because a utility has capacity for higher demand does not necessarily mean there is excess energy, generally the instantaneous energy generated is equal to the energy being consumed.