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Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Sunday April 28, 2019 @09:39PM (#19775170)
How good is weather prediction for other people? Is it actually accurate for you? Are even the current conditions accurate for you? I use Weather Underground, and a few weeks ago in the Bay, here are just a couple of the things I remember observing (out of the many wrong predictions): (1) One afternoon I was told there would be rain in 5-6 hours, then a couple hours I was told there would be none. (2) I started getting soaked while walking outside, and I checked the current conditions and was informed it is in fact not raining and there is no upcoming rain either. These were despite the facts that the weather stations were < 1 mile away for me and the conditions persisted for a fair bit (i.e. it wasn't just a random 2-minute shower).
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by hadlock on Monday April 29, 2019 @05:28AM (#19776941)
My experience living in Dallas, Texas, which has some 1500 miles of accurate weather data as systems come across the north american continent from west to east.... usually the 10 day weather forecast was accurate to within 4 hours. This is really helpful for planning sailing trips, etc. Usually three days out the weather prediction is accurate to within 30 minutes.

As for the California SF Bay area, weather prediction is mostly useless, day to day weather prediction is wildly inaccurate. I think just on Friday there was a prediction that we were going to have a bunch of fog through Tuesday, and it was clear the next day. Wild storms will be predicted, and then never appear, and other times weather that was going to hit Oregon smashes in to the bay for three days. Many times we've gone out sailing expecting calm forecasted weather (Mother's Day 2016) and got 25mph winds and other times we went out expecting forecasted 15mph winds and it was closer to 6-8mph.

My guess is that the lack of HD weather radar in the pacific and the complex topology of the coastal areas and the bay, and also the chaotic interaction between ocean and inland weather systems make for a much more challenging forecasting system than doing forecasting of the plains states. The unique geography of the golden gate being a venturi tube between the low pressure 55F/13C pacific ocean marine layer and the high pressure 95F/35c central valley some forty miles inland creates what the local slang describes as "the wind machine".

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by minimalist on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:06PM (#19775291)
If you are in the United States, you may be interested in the scientific forecaster discussions produced by your local NWS office. They provide more insight into forecast confidence and general regional dynamics. Theyre produced several times a day and are often quite fun to read.

Its amazing how far we have come in weather prediction. A few decades ago, 5-day forecasts did not exist and now we get 10-day forecasts that are reliable enough that we take it for granted.

In my experience, nothing beats getting the forecast straight from the horses mouth (NWS that is). Some companies are notorious for producing 30+ day forecasts, which cant have any meaningful levels of skill.

I never understood why NOAA/NWS didnt just create their own mobile app. I use Wx[0], which parses NWS data directly and can be found on f-droid.

[0] https://gitlab.com/joshua.tee/wx

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by maxerickson on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:29PM (#19775392)
Corruption, or so.

There was almost legislation to stop them from distributing data to the public directly, because then companies can make more money doing it.

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by feedbeef on Sunday April 28, 2019 @11:43PM (#19775675)
Also check out IEMBot for live (immediate) access to raw NWS products [1]. It should be noted that the scientific discussions are exactly that - while quite valuable, it can take some effort to become familiar with the abbreviations and raw weather science.

1. https://weather.im/iembot/

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:15PM (#19775332)
Interesting... do you see the NWS forecasts being more accurate then Weather.com/Weather Underground? It always felt to me like the former was (basically/effectively) a low-pass-filtered version of the latter, not actually any more accurate, but I have't really compared them that carefully.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by Donald on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:26PM (#19775378)
The NWS produces expert commentary (aka "forecaster's discussion") that can explain the deviations from forecasted weather. For example, there is a stalled weak cold front over the US right now. Many areas are getting variants of "Though not currently included in our forecast, very minor rain chances could return on Wednesday with models indicating some eastward movement of the ridge and an increase in PWAT values" based on the underlying uncertainty behind where exactly this frontal system will stall out.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mannykannot on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:20PM (#19775350)
I do a number of outdoor activities and I think forecasting has become very reliable, with the caveat that precise precipitation amounts and timing can vary over a short distance. If you are concerned about rain in the next couple of hours, take a look at the radar maps, and see if the situation is shaping up as predicted.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:27PM (#19775385)
Yeah the amount is secondary. I don't really have a good feel for 0.01 inches vs. 0.1 inches anyway (both seem small and then I constantly get surprised). Trouble is when they literally say no chance of rain and then I get soaked, or when they say it'll rain and there's not a single drop.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by jetrink on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:05PM (#19775287)
I pay close attention to precipitation forecasts due to the nature of my job. In the midwest, National Weather Service forecasts up to seven days out are reliable and useful. If the NWS says there will be a rainstorm in a week, there usually is one and vice versa. The quantitative aspect of the forecasts is less accurate. It is common to see a small storm become a large one or for a scary storm to fizzle.

This is the page that I check every morning: https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/qpf2.shtml

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:22PM (#19775365)
Oh interesting! Thanks for sharing that.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by baddox on Sunday April 28, 2019 @09:55PM (#19775250)
Parts of the Bay Area are pretty famous for having microclimates. I wouldn’t really use traditional weather reports for determining if it’s currently raining right here, but I find them accurate enough for determining if I need to carry my rain jacket or umbrella for the day.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:10PM (#19775306)
This wasn't a microclimate issue. I'm pretty darn sure the conditions at the station simply could not have been so radically different. And re: forecasts, if I had just looked at the weather to see if I needed an umbrella that evening I would've concluded "yes" if I had looked at 2pm and "no" if I looked at 3pm. Sometimes they do get it right, but other times they're just literally useless.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by baddox on Monday April 29, 2019 @12:38AM (#19775875)
The point of having the umbrella with you for the day is so that when you walk out the door and it’s raining you can open the umbrella.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Monday April 29, 2019 @02:33AM (#19776279)
Yes? Not sure how this is a reply to the comment...
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by kwelstr on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:02PM (#19775277)
Similar experience here in South Florida, the two weather apps I am currently using not always agree on the next day weather and often are wrong on the same day weather forecast. It seems to me that there was better accuracy a couple of years ago and somehow they have degraded. I am puzzled :/
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by ravedave5 on Sunday April 28, 2019 @11:05PM (#19775519)
Besides microclimites, which are a whole other discussion, predictions vary per service. It looks like AccuWeather has a 2% better rating for San Francisco, it's not much but it's something. https://www.forecastadvisor.com/California/SanFrancisco/9412...

but compared to a smaller city also with microclimates on a large body of water the prediction for San Fran is 15% better - https://www.forecastadvisor.com/Minnesota/Duluth/55811/

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by freehunter on Sunday April 28, 2019 @11:36PM (#19775648)
That's the first time I've seen that site, and for my city it's kind of frustrating if it's true. The Weather Channel rates the best (by far) compared to my preferred app, but I find The Weather Channel app to be an awful user experience for how I want to see weather presented to me.
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by myama on Monday April 29, 2019 @07:34AM (#19777411)
The Weather.com data is sold to Google, Facebook and many others. Perhaps you find a better user experience on those platforms?
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by HALtheWise on Monday April 29, 2019 @07:55AM (#19777491)
I highly recommend Darksky[1], or one of the copycat services like the AccuWeather Minutecast. They use computer vision based approaches processing radar fused with conventional forecasting, and do quite a good job. I believe that some other "hourly" forecasts are still published at the beginning of the day, rather than continually updated.

[1] https://darksky.net/

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by zdragnar on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:11PM (#19775309)
Upper midwest here. Hourly predictions are accurate more often than not, and a few days out is chancey.

Big storms are often exaggerated, though I suspect that's because the risk of flooding, ice and other hazardous travel conditions are serious enough to be overly cautious.

We had predictions for major snowfalls a few times, and every time was completely overblown, and then one hit exactly as predicted. Definitely glad I wasn't on the road that evening.

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by mehrdadn on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:25PM (#19775372)
Ahh yeah, you guys probably get a lot more extremes. :)
Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by CarVac on Sunday April 28, 2019 @10:47PM (#19775446)
If you look at the models themselves you can look several days out and get an idea of what could happen.

https://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/model-guidance-model-area.php

Select GFS (Global Forecasting System, the usual model) and NAMER (North America), then Precip P06 (six-hour precipitation accumulation), and then Loop All.

Over time, you learn the behavior of the models; for example the GFS's longer-range predictions tend to overestimate peak rainfall from super heavy storms (it'll predict three inches and we'll get one).

It's not as convenient as Wunderground but it's data straight from the source.

Other occasionally useful models are the NAM (shorter range and limited to North America) and the HRRR (high time resolution but very short range).

Re:Advances in Weather Prediction by LoSboccacc on Monday April 29, 2019 @02:14AM (#19776212)
here in italy is wildly inaccurate. medium and long term stability/instability trend holds, but day by day or hour by hour prediction are almost completely worthless.