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Re:Out of sight but not invisible: Defeating fileless malware by FreakLegion on Sunday April 28, 2019 @06:02PM (#19773988)
> downloaded and extracted executables are quarantined

The vast majority of companies won't implement a security policy that strict, even if they can distinguish email attachment downloads from other sources, which they generally can't (ADS doesn't capture it directly).

> And documents can’t ‘drop and run scripts’, they are documents

Yes they can, and do, without needing exploits, for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons. The legitimate reasons are why, again, the vast majority of companies won't implement blanket security policies here.

> And by the way, try sending a password protected archive in the mail once. Most services just throw them away.

Incorrect. You can do whatever you want with your personal email, but we're talking about enterprise security. Few companies (but more than the above two cases) will block password-protected anything as a matter of policy.

In practice, none of what you're saying will be done because of the downstream problems it creates for IT and security teams.

Re:Out of sight but not invisible: Defeating fileless malware by codedokode on Sunday April 28, 2019 @06:35PM (#19774159)
> The vast majority of companies won't implement a security policy that strict

Maybe such policy should be the default; by default the employee should be able to run only applications installed (or approved) by their sysadmin, and applications are sandboxed like Android's ones.

In 80s when DOS was developed, there were no easy access to the Internet, no phishing letters and viruses, so there were no risk in running different executables. But today this outdated security model simply doesn't work. You allow employees to download and run executables and they open "yearly-report.doc.exe".

Maybe desktop system developers should look at iPhones and Androids. It is difficult to dowload and run a virus on an iPhone; and it doesn't require the user to deal with configuration settings - it works out of the box. Something similar could be done for desktop systems: a pre-approved catalog of known "good" software and a simple UI (that doesn't require special skills) to whitelist any other software.

Also, I think that applications and documents should look different; today you can assign an icon of Word document to an executable; running an executable is indistinguishable from opening a document; that's wrong. Maybe applications should be located only in special application directory and run from there.

Re:Out of sight but not invisible: Defeating fileless malware by tinus_hn on Monday April 29, 2019 @06:46AM (#19777224)
> The vast majority of companies won't implement a security policy that strict

That’s what Windows does. You can’t not implement it.