Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Flyers Organize

Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by PaulHoule on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:57AM (#19758873)

The story that isn't being told is that smaller companies such as Bombardier and Embraer have made the investments in "clean sheet" small airliners that are much better than the 737 in every way.

Boeing has used it's market power to keep these away from passenger and airlines.

So it's not just a matter of people getting killed. It's people getting killed so you can pay more for airline tickets, have less room and comfort when you fly, have less frequent flights, hear more noise from airplanes, and experience more global warming.

As for global warming note also that the 737 has terrible takeoff performance, even under favorable conditions it has twice the takeoff distance of some much larger airliners. Every hot summer you will hear that "airplanes are grounded because of the heat, but really "737s are grounded because of the heat" because the 737 can barely take off as it is.

This is what secular stagnation looks like. It is undercompetition and underinvestment, just like we see with wireline internet service in the US. Don't let neoliberals fool you with the "there is no alternative" line because there is.

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Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by droussel on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:08PM (#19759013)

Boeing has sued Bombardier to keep it from selling their C-Series aircraft in the US which ultimately led to Bombardier basically giving away the aircraft to Airbus to stop bleeding out money.

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Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by PaulHoule on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:27PM (#19759214)

Downvoters: try a flight in an A220 or E195 and see if you ever want to fly in a 737 again.

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Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by sandworm101 on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:10PM (#19759032)

Bad takeoff performance does not mean a bad airframe. Takeoff performance and things like global warming (fuel efficiency) are often inversely related. No aircraft is perfect at all things. The big wings needed for shorter takeoff during a Nevada summer can mean more drag at altitude. Boeing builds for average customer conditions, not just the special case that is Vegas. (Altitude+heat+dry air = low air density = need bigger wings, bigger engines, and/or longer takeoff roll.)*

*There is probably some room here for a joke about how people leave Vegas heavier than they were when they landed.

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Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by PaulHoule on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:20PM (#19759150)

The A220 is highly fuel efficient and it is the only current mainstream airliner that can land at London City airport.

737 SUX and that is it.

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Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by tiredwired on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:05PM (#19758976)

Boeing bought Embraer.

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Re:Boeing’s Homicides Will Give Way to Safety Reforms if Fly... by GiuseppaAcciaio on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:09PM (#19759019)

No it didn't, you uninformed person. The two companies are in talks about a joint venture, but it's not yet ratified because the antitrust authorities in several countries haven't finished their due diligence yet.

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