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Re:Flutter desktop shells by winter_blue on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:04PM (#19749520)
I learned Visual Basic 6 from a cousin when I was 8 years old. It was such a joy to use, and made me fall in love with programming. It was so intuitive to use as an 8 year-old. And while Dijkstra might disapprove, the Basic language of VB6 was really simple and easy to grasp as a kid.

The coolest part was distribution. Under the File menu, you had an option to build a .exe file. I would build it and put the .exe file on 1.44 MB floppy disk, and share my little VB6 programs with friends. Such wonderful memories!

Re:Flutter desktop shells by badsectoracula on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:28PM (#19749748)
Dijkstra had issues with the older BASICs where the only way to control flow was with GOTOs and people flinging them all over the place. Visual Basic 6 (and QBasic before it) has Algol-like structures like subs, functions, while/repeat loops, etc so it would satisfy the issues Dijkstra had with older BASICs (if he'd dislike it for other reasons is another matter though).

Most people just repeat Dijkstra's headlines without having even read his text, let alone understanding it.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by specialist on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:32PM (#19749799)
I know we're talking UI frameworks, but...

I think we lost something important with the shift from workgroup to client/server (especially ODBC).

I banged out a lot of dBase II, FoxBASE, MS Access (in-house) apps, back in the day. I've not felt as productive since. I miss it dearly.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by legulere on Thursday April 25, 2019 @03:41PM (#19751752)
Software based on that still exists and it’s a hell to maintain.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by Yetanfou on Thursday April 25, 2019 @04:48PM (#19752371)
To which I can reply 'come back in 20 years and tell me about your experience maintaining something based on npm and friends'. At least those old crufty systems had the good grace of not having a best-before date measured in weeks. They might lack many other graces but for maintainability there is something to be said for a modicum of temporal stability when it comes to development environments.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by TheOtherDave on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:58PM (#19753962)
+1, would agree with again