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Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by dragonwriter on Thursday April 25, 2019 @02:49AM (#19745645)
> Plausible FSD story.

No.

> Camera-based autonomy.

That's among the reasons the former isn't true.

> $35k price point

That PR point has largely been abandoned. I mean, nominally they’ll still sell it to you if you jump through hoops, but they’ve deliberately made it less accessible because, as much as it was an important PR point, it was never really viable.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by audunw on Thursday April 25, 2019 @07:10AM (#19746875)
I've been on the fence about Tesla's approach (no Lidar) being the right way. But did you see the recent presentation at all?

At this point I think it's clear that they have a high chance of succeeding.

And I think the core argument is correct: If you don't have a neural net that can estimate depth from cameras as well as a human, you don't have a viable FSD system. The classifications that the system has to do to actually implement all the requirements of true FSD, is way harder than what's needed to make Lidar redundant with cameras and radar. Lidar is a shortcut to get a proof-of-concept running when your vision system is too weak to actually do full FSD.

> as much as it was an important PR point, it was never really viable.

Of course it's viable. It's just a question of time. It's pretty silly to think that sommehow, right this year, batteries will stop falling in price and Tesla will find no other ways to continue to reduce costs.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by semi-extrinsic on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:48AM (#19748716)
> And I think the core argument is correct: If you don't have a neural net that can estimate depth from cameras as well as a human, you don't have a viable FSD system.

I agree that this statement is probably correct. But they're assuming the positive outcome here, and we have no proof that's correct.

In fact, it may well turn out that the current approaches to autonomous driving using neural networks won't ever yield a viable FSD system. In fact I'd take that side of the bet, to be honest.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by pbreit on Thursday April 25, 2019 @03:37AM (#19745862)
Continuing to deny something that exists is actually beyond calling it impossible!

If you've got some spare time, go read some third party research on how cameras might actually be better. Lidar superiority is a myth. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.07179.pdf

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by hyperbovine on Thursday April 25, 2019 @07:48AM (#19747051)
Dude, if you think a CS conference paper is going to be the secret sauce that extracts Tesla from the $5b hole it’s dig itself into, you a) know nothing about business and b) know nothing about CS.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by dillonmckay on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:15AM (#19747708)
A little decorum, please.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by pbreit on Thursday April 25, 2019 @02:36PM (#19751188)
Just an external, corroborating data point. That’s all.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by threeseed on Thursday April 25, 2019 @07:00AM (#19746824)
That paper says nothing of the sort. Did you even read it ?

The numbers actually show pseudo-LiDAR being worse in general and significantly worse at longer distances.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by pbreit on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:26AM (#19749132)
I read it. Did you?

"it is plausible that image-based 3D object detection for autonomous vehicle will become a reality in the near future."

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by threeseed on Thursday April 25, 2019 @05:11PM (#19752545)
You do know that we have 3D object detection today. In fact we've had it for a few years now.

The issue isn't whether it works or not. The issue is whether you need LiDAR in the mix as well. And your paper says unequivocally that the answer is "yes we do".

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by whttheuuu on Thursday April 25, 2019 @03:29AM (#19745815)
This comment is the very definition of head in the sand lol.