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Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by neural_thing on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:35PM (#19743890)
Horrible quarter for them. If they don't resolve their issues with the SEC and raise capital, they will run out of cash in months.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by martinald on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:05PM (#19744047)
Yeah I think people are underestimating how dire the financials are. I think the cars are pretty cool (though way too much autopilot hype) and it's awesome that EVs have came so far so quickly.

If Tesla continues burning cash like this quarter, it will basically be out of money in Q2, yet they are not raising capital which suggests there is some major problem.

I think Tesla has had an awful lot of financial near misses so far and they are lucky to have made it this far, but they can't go on being so close on financials this poor forever.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by claytoneast on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:11PM (#19744086)
If they have 2.2B in the bank, lost 700 mil this quarter, expect to lose significantly less in the next quarter, how are they out of money? Even if they lost 500mil next quarter, they'd still have another 3 quarters of that left. That's not "basically out of money", in my mind.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by jacques_chester on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:38PM (#19744248)
Cashflow and income (aka profit & loss) are different beasts. You can be very profitable and run out of cash and it's possible to be flush with cash yet post a loss.

In the near term, cash is what matters. If you run out of cash, the company is bankrupt.

For a "normal" big company, which is approximately profitable, it's fine to have much less cash-on-hand, because you will have established lines of credit and easy access to the financial markets if you need more. Much more importantly: you have a lot of cash coming through the door, approximately enough to cover cash going out the door. This varies by business: some naturally have very lumpy cashflow (eg mining) and others have very smooth cashflow (eg breweries).

A lot of what CFOs do is manage this cashflow. For corporate health, it needs to be smooth, which means at any given time some cash is being received, some is going out, some is being banked and invested in short-term instruments and some is being borrowed. Some haggling with suppliers and customers about payment dates is also normal, because cash delayed or brought forward is cash made or lost.

On the other hand, if you are not operating profitably, you will need regular infusions of cash to keep operating. You actually need a lot more cash and cash-equivalents on hand than the profitable business does, because it takes you longer to get cash in the first place. A line of credit is more or less instant, short term cash can be arranged in a day and so on. But selling bonds takes time, up to months. Selling shares takes time, up to months. You need cash to cover a cash supply delay that a profitable business doesn't need.

That's Tesla's problem. They have enough cash for a few quarters and it is not replenishing fast enough from sales income or deposits. They will need to raise money and the longer they delay, the more punitive the terms will be.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by FireBeyond on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:16PM (#19744110)
You're thinking too short term. For a large industrial manufacturer with $10B in revenues or more to be "three quarters" away from literal bankruptcy/insolvency is dangerously close to that.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by martinald on Thursday April 25, 2019 @05:08AM (#19746310)
Because around 1billion of that 2.2 is reserved and doesn't really count as cash (customer deposits etc). So probably leaves around 1.2bn left at bank.

They are also spending next to nothing on capex which is going to be tough to sustain long term. If their capex was back towards their guidance for the year they would be closer to a billion loss this quarter.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by fooker on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:10PM (#19744080)
Billionaires have billionaire friends. It won't be too difficult for Elon Musk to talk to the Google folks and get a few billions in funding, for an appropriate equity.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by omarchowdhury on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:17PM (#19744119)
Why would the Google folks help a potential Waymo SDC competitor?
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by nexuist on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:33PM (#19744213)
Because then they'd have stakes in two high profile L5 attempts rather than only one. That way, regardless of who wins, they'd still have their part in the inception of the self driving industry.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by kissickas on Thursday April 25, 2019 @01:55AM (#19745408)
Larry Page already invested in Tesla more than a decade ago. Google has invested in Lyft as well, which is also set to be a competitor.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by philwelch on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:32PM (#19744205)
He already blew one deal, and it was with the Saudis, so I think he’s scraping the barrel for equity partners already.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by bobsil1 on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:04PM (#19744042)
Tesla's going down this time!

<they survive>

Aha. Nevertheless, …

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by hi5eyes on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:02PM (#19744031)
and now everyone begins to wonder why they havent done a raise
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by whttheuuu on Thursday April 25, 2019 @03:30AM (#19745820)
lol, feel like this comment has been posted for years.