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Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by mdorazio on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @09:55PM (#19734888)
Alternative view: they’re desperate to get more high margin model S and X sales because owners are keeping their existing models too long.
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by azhenley on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @10:03PM (#19734920)
That seems like a good position for both sides, doesn’t it?
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by angott on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @10:57PM (#19735169)
Not surprised. They can't expect people to replace their car every two years as if it were an iPhone.
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by adrianN on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @12:36AM (#19735599)
Time to introduce in-car purchases. Pay to overtake.
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by benj111 on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @04:51AM (#19736641)
Pay to emergency brake would seem to have the potential for higher margins?
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by janlaureys on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:00AM (#19737497)
We have detected an emergency situation and can avoid this upcoming collision by automatically applying full force breaking. Do you accept the payment of $14,99 ?
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by benj111 on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:15AM (#19737592)
Think bigger.

You forget Teslas are FSD capable. They can detect the urgency of the situation and price accordingly. A low speed shunt may be only $15. Avoiding a head on collision with a HGV? Only $10,000.

Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by colordrops on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @01:42AM (#19735847)
Already exists. Autopilot and FSD can be purchased through the model 3 touch screen.
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by anticensor on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @03:14AM (#19736240)
Tesla self-driving uses the innermost lane by default. Pay to not overtake.
Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by zaroth on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @12:02AM (#19735457)
Well, lets entertain this idea for a minute and see where it takes us.

First understand that the Ludicrous upgrade is only available on the Performance Model S/X which is $99k/$104k to start. There are two possible upsells here, from TM3 to Model S, or from a more basic grade of S to an upgraded Model S.

There are very few people who set out to buy a $35k car and then consider the TCO of the TM3 as comparable and decide to go for it. I think the hypothetical TM3 shopper being upsold to a $99k S to get free Ludi is basically non-existant. Upselling AWD or maybe Model 3 Performance, but not a Performance S.

Now, someone setting out to buy a $78k Model S, and deciding to upgrade to a $99k Model S is conceivable. Getting the Ludicrous option thrown in maybe even makes that likely.

So what's the profit impact to Tesla for selling a baseline Model S for $78k with no discount, versus a Model S Performance with a Free Ludicrous upgrade?

Gross margin of the S is ~30%. For giggles I'll assume gross margin of the Ludicrous upgrade is 50%. The hypothetical customer taking advantage of this offer is spending $99k and earning Tesla a profit of $19,700 ($29,700 - $10,000) versus without the offer getting a $78k Model S and earning Tesla $23,400.

Lastly there is the theory that an existing Model S/X owner decides to buy a new Model S/X because now they can get a Ludi upgrade. Well, you probably don't know that Tesla already lets current owners upgrade their existing Model S/X with Ludi aftermarket for $7,500. You can even upgrade your battery for $20,000.

I'd say this alternative view is bunk. Tesla grows by selling to new owners, and has said they design their cars with 1,000,000 miles in mind. Tesla goes further than any auto manufacturer in history to maintain the value of their existing owners' investment through constant OTA upgrades, even including increasing motor output, decreasing braking distance, and they have a system design geared toward field upgradable hardware including batteries and autopilot hardware.

When was the last time you walked into a dealer with your late-model car and they had a list of upgrades they could sell you for it, to bring it inline with the same car on the showroom floor? Tesla has been doing this with their Model S at various times throughout its history.

Their success is not tied to existing owners replacing their Tesla with a new one. It's actually quite the opposite. Part of Tesla's core value proposition is that every owner should feel like they are driving the latest and greatest, and their incentive is aligned to keep you driving it as long as possible. It's part of why they don't have model years in the first place.

Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by jakobegger on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @03:11AM (#19736226)
Your calculation doesn't really make sense. Your calculation assumes that the free Ludicrous update offered to existing owners costs Tesla 10,000 USD, but existing customers can upgrade to Ludicrous for 7,500 USD. How does that work?

My assumption would be that the gross margin of the Ludicrous upgrade is closer to 90% than 50%.

Re:Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer wit... by NotSammyHagar on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @12:40AM (#19735614)
it's both things! a great loyalty thing and they had greatly reduced sales of the more profitable model s because the 3 is so freaking awesome