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Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by lm28469 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @06:15AM (#19727101)
You could fly with guns and smoke cigs in planes in the 50s-60s, that was true freedom, right ?

Planes were hijacked all the time, and back then they weren't nearly as many planes as now. [0]

> so much of what made air travel fun

It's not supposed to be "fun", flying isn't a right, it's a privilege that enabled mass tourism which is an ecological and cultural plague. People take easyjet/ryanair like they take their cars to go grocery shopping, Berlin, Paris, Rome, &c. are now hell on earth.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings

Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by C1sc0cat on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @07:21AM (#19727437)
In what sense are they "hell" and how come you think free movement is a privilege - that sounds a bit elitist.

Free movement is a right in the EU BTW

Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by lm28469 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @08:18AM (#19727833)
> In what sense are they "hell"

Deezer/Jump/OFO/Mobike/DonkeyRepublic bikes everywhere, now they even started using electric scooters, parking them in front of monuments, in the middle of the already small sidewalks, on the road (??!)

You can't go to museum/parks/monuments/local biergarten.

Public transports can't keep up. Even worst, roads can't keep up (uber + car2go + taxis everywhere)

Half of the flats in touristic areas are aribnbs, artificially increasing local prices + kicking local people out.

Artificially increases restaurants / bars prices.

I don't even get how tourists are having fun, it's literally like queuing in Disneyland to see/do the most basic things and take the same pictures as everyone else. I saw hundreds of people queueing for 2+ hours for a famous burger / kebab place, if that's what you consider "fun" and "freedom" ...

> how come you think free movement is a privilege

Never said that. Now that people can buy a Paris<>Berlin tickets for the price of a restaurant they go enjoy their mindless 3 days of paradise, wreak havoc on the locals, and move to their next destination. It's just like freedom of speech, when abused it starts to get nasty.

> When culture becomes nothing more than a commodity, it must also become the star commodity of the spectacular society. - Guy Debord

> Ideology, information and > culture < tend more and more to lose their content and become pure quantity. - Raoul Vaneigem

Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by C1sc0cat on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @09:55AM (#19728577)
This sounds like a rant presumably you would like to have active and passive citizens ?
Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by lm28469 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @10:40AM (#19729061)
It sure is a rant, but it's my daily life.

> you would like to have active and passive citizens ?

No, just informed and non destructive tourism. The number of tourists coming to berlin, for example, doubled in 10 years, the infrastructure almost didn't change in the same time. 3.5 million inhabitants, 14[0] millions annual tourists. Every single month of the year: 40%+ of the population is made of tourists.

[0] edit: 13.5 million guests, 32.9 million overnight stays. https://about.visitberlin.de/en/materialien/toolkit/tourism-...

https://ourworldindata.org/tourism

Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by neetdeth on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @12:36PM (#19730241)
Assuming every one of those overnight stays means two days spent in Berlin, and if they are spread out over the year, that's 175 thousand tourists at any given time, about 5% of the population. Of course they'll congregate in certain locations and certain times of year, but you're overstating the case.

Instead of shaking your fist at airplanes flying overhead, maybe try increasing the hotel tax and cracking down on AirBnBs.

Of course, you'll probably encounter opposition to this because some locals are making a great deal of profit.

Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by Jonnerz on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @07:36AM (#19727550)
Free movement is a right yes, but flying is not...
Re:JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of b... by C1sc0cat on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @09:56AM (#19728589)
Isn't limiting flying to the rich anti democratic.