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Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by mirimir on Sunday April 21, 2019 @05:18PM (#19714643)
Well, maybe they're "more collectively minded" because they've been living under totalitarian regimes for millennia. And even if we accept (which I do) that some Western-style society is better, getting there would be hugely nontrivial.

In particular, getting there would arguably involve considerable chaos. And so it's not that hard for those in control to play on people's fears about that. After all, Westerners have tried to impose democracy on China before, and it didn't work out very well.

Back in the 60s, China was on track to be North Korea times 10^4 to 10^6. But Kissinger managed to convince Nixon to intervene in a constructive and noninvasive way. That clearly has worked, so what we need is arguably to stay on that track.

On the other hand, isolating South Africa arguably did hasten the end of Apartheid. And if China undertakes full-on genocide against the Uyghurs, that may be the only moral path. But orders of magnitude more dangerous. And when we add global climate change to the mix, it'll be insane.

Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by true_religion on Sunday April 21, 2019 @07:40PM (#19715258)
It's more collectively minded as many countries ended up with an figurehead emperor who acts as a symbol of the state, giving everyone something to bind themselves to even if they hate their local king.
Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by bitcurious on Sunday April 21, 2019 @09:51PM (#19715785)
Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by AvocadoPanic on Sunday April 21, 2019 @07:28PM (#19715204)
South Africa really the best example of a 'successful' intervention?
Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by mirimir on Sunday April 21, 2019 @08:32PM (#19715470)
Have there been any truly successful forceful interventions?
Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by Gpetrium on Sunday April 21, 2019 @11:42PM (#19716348)
It depends on the definition of success for the involved parties. It doesn't always mean full captulation.
Re:China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media by mirimir on Monday April 22, 2019 @12:48AM (#19716602)
I meant more about long-term improved situation.

I suppose that you could claim Germany or Japan as long-term successes. But the costs were immense.