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Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by AWildC182 on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:56PM (#19702934)
Source? I can't find anything on long term helium storage being impossible.
Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by astrodust on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:09PM (#19703021)
It's the smallest monatomic gas, so it can wriggle through even the tiniest of holes.

Normally you'd liquify a gas to store it, but helium doesn't liquify until you crank it down to 4°K, which is really, really cold. Liquid oxygen and nitrogen have significantly higher boiling points.

Now if you do liquify it, the real fun is it's a superfluid so it's going to crawl all over the inside of the container, it won't just stay at the bottom.

So if you don't keep it at 4°K, or -270°C, it's going to boil, and if it boils it's a gas, and if it's a gas it's going to find any opening to squeeze out of.

Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by jeffwass on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:37PM (#19703224)
>Now if you do liquify it, the real fun is it's a superfluid so it's going to crawl all over the inside of the container, it won't just stay at the bottom.

Not true. LHe’s boiling point (at atmospheric pressure) is 4.2K. The lambda point when it becomes a superfluid is 2.2K. So there’s a decent temperature range when it behaves as a normal liquid.

Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by marmaduke on Friday April 19, 2019 @06:47PM (#19703646)
Good clarification. I’ve regularly seen helium refills of an MEG scanner and apart from being cold it didn’t look particularly troublesome.
Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by astrodust on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:03PM (#19704224)
Good point but it also means that if you can keep it precisely in the 2.2K to 4.2K range then nothing strange happens.

That's a pretty narrow band to operate in.

Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by jeffwass on Saturday April 20, 2019 @02:08AM (#19705062)
It’s a wider range than you think. Temperatures work logarithmically.

The lambda point occurs at roughly half the absolute temperature of the boiling point.

For comparison room temp is roughly 300K, and half of that is 150K or minus 120°C.

Would you call the temperature range between minus 120°C and room temp (call it 20°C) a “narrow band”?

Re:Helium shortages will impact quantum computer research by imtringued on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:42PM (#19703270)
It's not impossible. You just need a tank with thicker walls.