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Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by auto on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:00AM (#19699191)
My high school physics teacher (~2006) told us once when discussing career prospects that if you could build/discover a material that was a superconductor at room temperature, you'd probably end up the richest person in the world.

I've never forgotten that, and it sounds like the challenge still stands.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:21AM (#19699358)
Yeah, well, that can be said for a lot of things that are probably impossible. FTL dirve? Teleporter? Working lightsaber?
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by notTyler on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:45AM (#19700482)
A working lightsaber would make you rich for a week until people started accidentally chopping off their limbs and suing you.
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by ben_w on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:39PM (#19701402)
“It’s a sword. They’re not meant to be safe.”

Probably be a really useful piece of industrial equipment, not just a really strange weapon.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by jandrese on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:20PM (#19701726)
It's just a fancy plasma cutter. The defining feature of a light saber--being able to stop other light sabers from passing through it--seems of limited utility in an industrial setting.
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by marcosdumay on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:40AM (#19700443)
Well, from those 3 a teleporter would probably have some economical use, the other 2 not so much.

Besides, "probably impossible" seems to be a large overrating of our knowledge of superconductivity.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by jandrese on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:22PM (#19701747)
You don't think there would be an economical use for FTL travel? I mean I guess it depends on the details (it requires a spaceship that is a billion metric tons and requires a dozen working fusion cores to power it to get to 1.1C for example), but I can imagine a ton of uses for FTL technology.

Transporters would be more useful in a day to day setting, but that doesn't mean FTL is academic.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by LeonM on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:36AM (#19700413)
I always said that one of these things would probably make you one of the richest (or powerful) persons on the planet:

  - Practical nuclear fusion (that outputs more power that it takes to run)
  - Superconductivity at room temperature
  - Artificial general intelligence
  - Practical high-density energy storage
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by m463 on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:17PM (#19704065)
A more down-to-earth video to watch might be this one:

"Elon Musk: How to Build the Future"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnBQmEqBCY0

(of course "down-to-earth" is very relative)

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by tomatotomato37 on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:01PM (#19702971)
My vote is on industrial-scaled asteroid mining. The ability to both drop near-unlimited riches into coffers of the people you like and onto the cities of the people you don't like would seem to be the be all end all combo
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by LeonM on Saturday April 20, 2019 @05:27AM (#19705575)
I highly doubt asteroid mining would ever be profitable. The cost of getting bulk goods from space down to earth are astronomical (ha!).

Also, if you were to flood the market with any material you mined, prices would go down.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by scythe on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:51PM (#19701009)
RTS would be a major breakthrough for both fusion (superconducting electromagnets) and energy storage (SMES), actually.
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by madengr on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:02PM (#19701098)
- Gravity manipulation

There were a few reports in the ‘90s of this, all involving superconductors.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by jandrese on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:30PM (#19701805)
All of the gravity shield things turn out to be bogus AFAIK. Like the people didn't account for the outgassing from their cyrogenic fluids and other such sloppiness. Or it was announced from a guy who refused to show his apparatus to anybody until they funded his work for a million bucks because he was "afraid they would steal it".

The biggest clue it didn't pan out is that if it were real we would be using it now.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by madengr on Friday April 19, 2019 @03:48PM (#19702439)
The strangest one claimed to displace a pith ball, 50 meters away through several walls. They had some sputter deposited, superconducting sphere they were pulsing with current.
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by wpasc on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:08PM (#19701139)
- cure for common cold

- cure for cancer

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by blueboo on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:55AM (#19700544)
one of those things can solve all the others
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by atq2119 on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:59AM (#19700591)
Assuming you're talking about AGI, keep in mind that we're general intelligences and haven't solved the other three yet. It's not self-evident that AGI would do so quickly.
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by Depooty on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:20PM (#19700751)
Imagine if you could run N agi all day though. You could have the knowledge of all scientists thinking of solutions 24/7 and all N agi would be talking to each other about their solutions. You could even have a small subset of them improving on themselves. So you get rapidly better thinking agi and then they brute force the nuclear codes and decide that life is meaningless and try to help us out.
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by ben_w on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:26PM (#19701293)
Unclear at this time.

Humans are GI, but it takes more than one human-level GI to make an AGI or it probably would’ve already happened. Simulation of a human mind has various estimates of computational cost (we don’t know what’s missing from out models, and won’t until we’ve got a working AGI), so taking an arbitrary estimate, all the iPhones in the world might be able to do tens of thousands of real-time human minds [1]. This is comparable to the entire population of the AI research community [2]. It is also expensive not only to put together that much computer power, but also to power it. It is very plausible we will run out of room for Moore’s Law (0.1 nm features) without having figured out how to go from narrow AI to general AI, even despite the fact that transistors already outpace synapses the way wolves outpace hills [3].

[1] https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/pocket-brai...

[2] https://jfgagne.ai/talent/

[3] https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2017/11/26/you-wont-be...

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by TheSoftwareGuy on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:39PM (#19701405)
Not only that, but even humans with our actual GI, can only come up with theories and hypotheses that may or may not reflect reality. This is why scientists have to do experiments, to establish empirical evidence that they are right (or possibly more often, that they are not right).
Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by Retra on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:09PM (#19701643)
There's also the fact that there's no known upper limit on the complexity/time needed to solve an arbitrary problem. Just because you can create an AGI doesn't mean nearly impossible problems suddenly become tractable.

Humans can already create humans that can outsmart them, and only every so often do they solve an interesting problem here or there.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by 781 on Friday April 19, 2019 @03:14PM (#19702179)
It's pretty obvious that if you want to simulate a brain, a Von Neumann architecture is terrible. People will invent new architectures, just like they invented GPUs and TPUs.

And your second point is also flawed, the fact that Moore's Law stops working doesn't prevent one from having ever more computing power, by simply buying more chips. Google doesn't run on one massive computer, but on millions of small ones.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by ben_w on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:06PM (#19703000)
> It's pretty obvious that if you want to simulate a brain, a Von Neumann architecture is terrible. People will invent new architectures, just like they invented GPUs and TPUs.

It really isn’t. Sure, the Von Neumann architecture doesn’t match our brains, but right now silicon is so much faster than biology that our fundamental problem is elsewhere — our best understanding of what it means to learn from experience doesn’t allow us to make machines which learn as effectively as we do from as little data as we do.

And that is the point — we can only (usefully) invent a new architecture like we did TPUs when we have a better idea. Sure, we probably will, but to what schedule? Biology is not obligated to make sense to us. Despite my general optimism about AI, I have to accept the possibility that perhaps the rules governing our own intelligence could (in principle) be as incomprehensible to us as they are to any other primate.

> And your second point is also flawed, the fact that Moore's Law stops working doesn't prevent one from having ever more computing power, by simply buying more chips. Google doesn't run on one massive computer, but on millions of small ones.

You seem to have missed my point here, too. I explicitly suggested what you used as a counter-argument — millions of small computers working together. To be precise, I suggested using 217.52 million A12 SoC units, running at 5e12 op/s, and a (guesstimated) 5 W TDP. This gave me an estimated 35,465 real-time human brains at a power cost of 36.8 kW per brain, which consumed roughly 32,200 US dollars of electricity per year, even when making the over-optimistic assumption the chips were the only power requirement (i.e. no network, no cooling).

This also gave me a hardware supply cost of about $2,500,000 per brain (assuming the cost of the cheapest iPad using an A12, because I lack any better idea for how to estimate the cost of all other components needed to keep the chip working).

If you hit the atomic limit, you get a x900 improvement (I think) on those costs. Which is great [1] if we know enough about how our minds work to replicate them… and my point is that we don’t.

[1] except for the social and economic implications when minds powered by sunlight are cheaper than literal slaves given nothing more than the minimum food to keep them alive, which I also hope we’ll deal with but is a totally independent question.

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by ArtWomb on Friday April 19, 2019 @10:15AM (#19699784)
The Holy Grail of Materials Science indeed!

Despite the visions in our heads of super sonic maglev trains spanning NYC to Shanghai, the real boon is probably in something like plasma containment for fusion generators ;)

Re:The Quest for Room-Temperature Superconductors by m463 on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:14PM (#19704054)
stretch goal: room temperature and pressure