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Re:Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers by rchaud on Thursday April 18, 2019 @03:01PM (#19693812)
What you call "design tradeoffs" is what consumers call "basic features". I can't think of a single phone before the iPhone that had non-replaceable batteries. Samsung and LG had replacement slots on their flagships all the way up to 2014/15. You had someone a 2014 LG G3 today, and I doubt anyone would complain about the weight or the size, especially when the top-line iPhone has a 6.5 inch screen.

> Maybe not a great tradeoff for something needed once every 2-3 years.

The use case for a replaceable battery is for emergency situations, not just when the original stops holding a charge. I would much rather go back to that time when I could discreetly slip in a replacement than have to use a phone attached to a giant brick with a flimsy USB cable.

Re:Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers by jmull on Thursday April 18, 2019 @03:40PM (#19694131)
> ...what consumers call "basic features"

Consumers are the ones who have insisted — with their wallets — that they prefer phones without user-swappable batteries.

Re:Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers by neogodless on Thursday April 18, 2019 @03:59PM (#19694269)
This is correct, at face value. However, the comparison is usually this:

Option 1:

- has a removable battery, headphone jack and/or stereo speakers

- security / OS updates stop in 6 months (or never happen or are years behind)

- camera is OK

- getting kind of slow

- proprietary version of Android with bloatware

Option 2:

- no removable battery, headphone jack or stereo speakers

- security / OS updates for 2-3 years

- camera is better in low light

- it's fast right now

It's like evolution, except there aren't enough options and the timeline is too short and bad features are too coupled with good features.

Re:Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers by rchaud on Thursday April 18, 2019 @03:57PM (#19694250)
Consumers have "insisted" on that in the same way they've insisted on having more hormones, preservatives and color treatments in their food.

Companies have switched to non-replaceable batteries because it's good for their bottom line. It's definitely market forces that are in play, but not the ones in the textbooks where consumers hold all the cards.

Re:Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers by DoreenMichele on Thursday April 18, 2019 @03:59PM (#19694267)
Yeah. A lot of "voting with your wallet" boils down to "Buy this crap and kvetch about it ...or, I guess, have nothing?"
Re:Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers by JohnFen on Thursday April 18, 2019 @04:10PM (#19694349)
I think that's a stretch. I don't think that consumers insisted on this at all. I think that they were simply willing to put up with it.