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Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by java-man on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @10:43AM (#19682981)
you are right, we need to teach our kids about bullshit much earlier.
Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by ravenstine on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @10:53AM (#19683073)
We all keep saying that. So how do we get the ball rolling?
Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by scottie_m on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:01AM (#19683149)
Convince parents that teaching kids to think critically is more important than indoctrinating said child into whichever religion or political sphere the parent is already a part of. In my experience that’s a broadly impossible task. Parents want their kids to think critically only about the things the parent already rejects.
Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:05AM (#19683181)
Kids that think critically are less susceptible to lazy parenting.

Nobody wants to explain to their 5yo why they can't afford a Barbie Jeep but can afford booze or going out to eat. Nobody wants a teenager that is well versed in assessing the goals and motivation of all the parties in any given situation because they'll recognize all the partial truths they get fed in an attempt to make them to take risks in a manner more like an adult. A teenager that understands statistics well would be impossible to scare into not doing "bad things". Likewise thinking critically is not a high priority thing for parents to teach.

When you're dealing with someone who can't think on the same level as you lying is just so damn easy. They are playing checkers. You are playing seven dimensional chess. Teaching kids to think critically requires a constant effort and directly negatively impacts the parents in the short term. It's like quitting smoking for 18yr, no wonder most people don't do it.

Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by scottie_m on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:15AM (#19683284)
Honestly I never considered that angle, but I have to agree. I’ve always focused on grander aspects of it, but of course the small everyday lies and manipulations would be more central.
Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by java-man on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:32AM (#19683457)
First, we, as parents, have to learn to think critically ourselves. This is no easy task because, generally, nobody taught us that, and also because one needs some level of education and/or basic understanding of how the world works in general.

Then, start asking questions: can we trust the information we receive? Is it possible we receive a biased/incomplete/wrong information? Are we being manipulated? Who would benefit from supplying us with incorrect information? correct information? How can we verify the information?

Look at the history. What can we learn from historical events? Have we been lied to in the past? How did we learn that we've been lied to? Who benefitted?

Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by Faramir4k on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:02AM (#19683154)
Classes on Persuasion, and the way it dominates our way of life is a great start.
Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by wccrawford on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:06AM (#19683186)
I have to agree. Learning how to persuade people has been great for learning how to spot people trying to persuade me, and what their goal is.
Re:'Calling bullshit': the college class on how not to be du... by 49para on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @10:53AM (#19683076)
but then they might not go to college at all.