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Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by sachinag on Friday December 03, 2010 @08:08PM (#1968041)
This was smart. Let's be clear: Google needed Groupon's local advertising smarts more than Groupon needed anything from Google. It's not like free AdWords would change the limiting factor on the Groupon model - the limiting factor on the Groupon model is the speed with which Groupon can add cities and salespeople: two things where Google can't help one iota. And, to date, Groupon has shown an ability to expand faster into new cities/countries than LivingSocial and all the also-rans.

I also don't think group buying is going away in, say, 20 years. It's such a ridiculously perceived risk free way (no cash upfront? fuck yeah) for local businesses - really, any businesses - to get additional visits/customers that it'll be a part of the marketing mix forever.

Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by slapshot on Friday December 03, 2010 @08:13PM (#1968056)
> Google needed Groupon's local advertising smarts more than Groupon needed anything from Google.

Except cash.

This was by far the best possible hope of returning money to the investors and shareholders. Their fiduciary duty is to return money to investors. They failed.

It was an absurd home-run valuation that any venture firm would be happy with. And they are all but begging Google to compete head-to-head. Remember that Google knows everything about you already (Gmail, Google Checkout, Google Maps...); it would be easy for Google to target a buying service not only to your city, but also to your exact buying habits.

Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by sdrinf on Friday December 03, 2010 @09:10PM (#1968207)
> [..] they are all but begging Google to compete head-to-head

Except for the part where Groupon provides an amount of hand-holding for businesses, that G has neither history, nor reputation of doing.

Historically relevant datapoints: G has both a buying service[1], and an affiliate network[2], neither of which seems anything remotely close to the success that Groupon is enjoying already.

[1] http://www.google.com/prdhp?hl=en&tab=wf#t:0

[2] http://www.google.com/ads/affiliatenetwork/

Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by drgath on Friday December 03, 2010 @08:18PM (#1968079)
"Except cash."

Like Twitter & Facebook, they have access to all the money they could ever want. Plus, Groupon's revenues are through the roof right now, right on par with Facebook's.

Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by slapshot on Friday December 03, 2010 @10:49PM (#1968423)
"Cash" to return to investors, not to take from new investors. Taking new investors (especially at such a crazy valuation) just raises the expectations even further and makes Groupon have to take ever bigger risks.

I mean, seriously, a $6 billion valuation (if real) is $20 in _profit_ from every man, woman, and child in the United States. Not revenue, not EBITDA, but true profit returned to investors in 2010 dollars. That is a through-the-moon valuation.

Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by frisco on Friday December 03, 2010 @08:17PM (#1968071)
Groupon isn't a personalization play; it's an anti-personalization one. Literally the deals only happen if many people want them. While interesting and valuable, incredibly detailed targeting is kind of tangential.
Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by blantonl on Friday December 03, 2010 @08:17PM (#1968076)
>> it was an absurd home-run valuation that any venture firm would be happy with

If that is the case, then why aren't the investors screaming bloody murder?

Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by hugh3 on Friday December 03, 2010 @08:25PM (#1968094)
Who says they're not? Quietly screaming, of course. We only have vague reports that there was ever even a deal in the air.
Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by rprasad on Friday December 03, 2010 @09:06PM (#1968195)
Management's fiduciary duty to a company's shareholders is to protect the shareholders' investment. The duty is not about "returning money". If it was, then dividends would be mandated any time a company saw profit, and management would always have to accept buyouts returning even the slightest iota of gain.
Re:Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay indepe... by c1utch on Friday December 03, 2010 @10:37PM (#1968399)
Google can implement their self-serving ad platform technology (AdWords) to automate the 2,500+ person sales force that works at Groupon. Groupons profit margins would skyrocket.