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Re:The Notre Dame fire and the future of history by btilly on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @02:23PM (#19676009)
We still have some collected myths and stories from the Romans and the Norse and so on, but a lot of these were written by Christian converts who were sad that the stories they heard on their grandparents' knees were going to disappear.

We have Roman myths as written down by pagans pre-Christianity.

But our records of Norse myths were written down around 1200 AD, a couple of centuries after Christianity became the official religion in Scandinavia in 1000 AD. It is hard to say how much modification there was between those points.

The biggest change is that Odin/Wotan finished his long journey from being recognizably Mercury when the Romans met the Germanic people to absorbing a lot of the character of Tyr (aka Mars) and then becoming king of the gods. The historical root survives in language, Wednesday is still named after Wotan in English, and after Mercury in various Romance languages.

There is reason to believe that during Viking times, Thor was (like his analogs Jupiter and Zeus before) still the king of the gods. And therefore Odin's role as patron of kings and poets both was responsible for his elevation in the version of the myths that got written down.

Re:The Notre Dame fire and the future of history by naravara on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @04:04PM (#19676805)
I always did wonder how it came to be that the "Thunder God" was king in basically all the Indo-European pantheons except the Norse one. I suspected it might have something to do with urbanization and reliance on agriculture, but your explanation makes way more sense.

Out of curiosity, what are the arguments that Thor was considered the highest of Gods originally? IIRC many of the ceremonial items they found on the boats were dedicated to Odin weren't they? (Though I suppose that being an analog to Mercury, he would make a lot of sense for voyagers to adopt as a patron).

Re:The Notre Dame fire and the future of history by btilly on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @05:18PM (#19677418)
A mixture of things.

Historical accounts such as Adam of Bremen describing Thor as the main god at Uppsala, the frequency of Thor's Hammer versus other religious symbols, the many references to Thor in Icelandic sagas.

However Tacitus did describe Mercury at the chief Germanic god. So maybe Odin was the chief god after all.

The popularity of Odin could also be a reflection of their social roles. Consider the Lay of Harbard: https://thenorsegods.com/the-lay-of-harbard/. Elsewhere in the myths, Odin gives Harbard as one of his names, and it is believed that Harbard in this lay is actually Odin. Reading that, you'll see why the average peasant would be more interested in asking for Thor's help than Odin's. Conversely you'll see how a war leader would be more interested in Odin's help than Thor's.