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Re:Microsoft Losing Against iPod, iPhone, iOS, iMessage, Sla... by scarface74 on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:06PM (#19667374)
The offerings of MS (the Zune) and others (Creative, Sandisk, Toshiba, Sony, etc.) were more than good enough, and they worked with a variety of online music stores.

The Zune came out in November 2006 - less than three months before the iPhone was introduced and a little bit over a year before iPod sales started declining.

Re:Microsoft Losing Against iPod, iPhone, iOS, iMessage, Sla... by rchaud on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:14PM (#19668501)
That's why I mentioned the other manufacturers. In the MP3 player market, Sandisk and Creative were #2 and #3 behind Apple and had been in the game much longer than Microsoft.

Unlike today, where we have multiple Surface-branded products, back then Microsoft only had Xbox, which operated as an entirely separate division from Windows + Office.

Before the Zune, MS tried to be the software partner for non-iPod devices, with the Windows Media Player store and Plays4Sure DRM standard (which they botched). It's only after it all failed that they rushed into the market with the Zune, which was a partially redesigned rebrand of a Toshiba MP3 player that was in the works.

Re:Microsoft Losing Against iPod, iPhone, iOS, iMessage, Sla... by ska on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:38PM (#19668206)
Zune was a good example of too little too late. It would have had to be extraordinary to have made a big impact that late in the game. Instead, it was perfectly serviceable.
Re:Microsoft Losing Against iPod, iPhone, iOS, iMessage, Sla... by scarface74 on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:06PM (#19668444)
It was even worse.

Microsoft introduced a hard drive based player years after the flash based Nanos were already more popular.

Then MS released the flash based non touch screen Zunes after the iPod Touch was becoming popular.

Finally they released the touch screen Zunes after the App Store came out and the Zunes couldn’t run third party apps. Even the hard drive based iPods had a few curated third party apps by 2005.

http://www.appskel.com/ipod-games.html