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Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by lionhearted on Thursday December 02, 2010 @11:33PM (#1964754)
> I’m sorry, but your anecdote is a straw man.

Your anecdote proves another anecdote is a strawman?

Kidding aside, I've been self employed most of my life and I've never written a resume up, so I don't know. Just sharing one story I heard.

Your experience is interesting. What do you think it was that helped? Was the recruiter good, or your friend a strong vouch? Would be curious to hear more about your experience, it's pretty shocking that you get barely any response with your credentials in 400 applications, but then a warm introduction lands you a job in a day. Well, I believe in the power of warm introductions, but you'd expect some interest if your credentials/skills stacked up, no? Would be curious to hear more.

Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by jonhendry on Thursday December 02, 2010 @11:40PM (#1964774)
"Your anecdote proves another anecdote is a strawman?"

A first-hand anecdote beats your vague, un-sourced, second-hand-at-best anecdote. Especially since the first-hand anecdote matches many other peoples' experience, mine included, and because you don't seem to have the personal experience required to have a working bullshit detector on the issue.

" Well, I believe in the power of warm introductions, but you'd expect some interest if your credentials/skills stacked up, no?"

After about 9 months, your credentials and skills don't really matter. It's like you have "I molest goats" on your resume in 96-point type. If you actually get a call you can hear the loss of interest once you explain that "yes, my resume is up to date".

Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by lionhearted on Thursday December 02, 2010 @11:51PM (#1964800)
> A first-hand anecdote beats your vague, un-sourced, second-hand-at-best anecdote. Especially since the first-hand anecdote matches many other peoples' experience, mine included,

My point was, both can be true in the same world. To layer more anecdotes onto the subject, the people I know that massively hustle don't ever stay out of work long, except by choice.

> and because you don't seem to have the personal experience required to have a working bullshit detector on the issue.

Eh, "Some people are complaining without getting off their asses" - not everyone but some people - is a hypothesis that absolutely jives with my bullshit detector. In fact, it matches tremendously a lot of experience.

> After about 9 months, your credentials and skills don't really matter. It's like you have "I molest goats" on your resume in 96-point type. If you actually get a call you can hear the loss of interest once you explain that "yes, my resume is up to date".

Ah, this is fascinating. See, that's just what I was looking for - great insight there, thanks.

Extrapolating from that, would it make sense to take a class or do some volunteer/charity work, or travel, or contribute to some open source project, or something to fill the blank in your resume?

I really don't know, this is all new stuff to me. I've looked at a few hundred resumes and proposals in my life for hires and outsourcers, but I haven't submitted one since I did an internship when I was 18 (did I even submit one there? not sure). I'm trying to think back to my own experiences choosing people, but back then I interviewed everyone with half-decent credentials because I didn't trust my resume-reading skills, and figured it couldn't hurt. Then I hired people who I jived with personally who seemed to have the skills and motivation. For outsourcers, it was all about portfolio and speed of their replies to my further questions, always. (This is a fascinating insight to me writing this, actually, I never realized that before - speed and portfolio were really the only two determining factors... written language less important, I contracted some people in India with spelling/grammar errors who obviously had the technical chops and speed one time, and then did a lot of work with them)

Okay, good discussion here Jon. Interesting stuff.

Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by sudont on Thursday December 02, 2010 @11:48PM (#1964795)
Definitely. What would you like to know?

I would say the recruiter is the only reason I have a job currently. She has a very strong relationship with my employer’s parent corporation, and that got me past the tide of people who spam inboxes.

Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by lionhearted on Thursday December 02, 2010 @11:56PM (#1964814)
Good insights. Thanks for sharing the latter part too, that gives me some perspective. Congrats on the new position. Feel free to drop me an email sometime if I can be of service in whatever, and thanks for sharing.
Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by sudont on Friday December 03, 2010 @12:01AM (#1964819)
Thank you, and good luck on your travels!
Re:When the Jobless Become the Unemployable by BullshitBingo on Friday December 03, 2010 @12:08AM (#1964841)
Ok, just doing my job:

"Kidding aside, I've been self employed most of my life and I've never written a resume up, so I don't know." ________________

"Was the recruiter good, or your friend a strong vouch?" ___________________________ "Would be curious to hear more about your experience" ____________________________________-

"credentials in 400 applications" _________________________

"Well, I believe in the power of warm introductions." ____________________________________

"Would be curious to hear more." _______________________

Man, you're all dead inside, aren't you?