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Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by gumby on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:09PM (#19640225)
The way I read this article in English, were the original article still online, or had it been archived by archive.org and the Wikipedia link changed, then it could stay up. Does that make sense?

The article doesn't link to German coverage so it's hard to learn about the underlying matter.

Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by rstuart4133 on Thursday April 11, 2019 @09:29PM (#19641100)
Still being up does not make it true, particularly if it is in archive.org.

I have no idea what when on, but given the facts as presented in that article, this is possible:

1. Papers publish an article about a professor.

2. Wikipedia repeats was is said in the article, and cites the article as proof.

3. archive.org and others makes copies of the article (perhaps Wikipedia starts taking copied of things it cites - which would be _really_ nice.)

4. Professor notices article and threatens to sue.

5. The papers decides the article can't be defended and so takes it down. If this is what happened copies of the article still appearing on the net doesn't alter the fact the papers acknowledged the article was false and defamatory.

If at this point the paper published an apology acknowledging the article is in error then Wikipedia then IMO Wikipedia doesn't have an ethical leg to stand on.

If they didn't publish an apology didn't this is probably the way it had to happen. They only way I'd change things is I wouldn't not be awarding the professor any damages - if I was the judge I would be saying "it's your own fault for not demanding an apology acknowledging the article was false from the paper".

As it is, Wikipedia left us to drawn our own conclusions from the link disappearing. As I frequent Wikipedia user I find myself in this position all the time and think that's perfectly reasonable, but I can see how the professor and the judge might see things differently.

Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by gumby on Friday April 12, 2019 @02:06AM (#19642383)
Wikipedia isn’t supposed to make such judgements. If the article is on archive.org or anywhere it can be cited; articles about challenges to the veracity of such an article can also be cited and discussed.
Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by fxbl0i on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:41PM (#19640413)
Well, it depends. The EU doesn't like free speech; archive.org is not exempt (April 10th):

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190410/14580641973/eu-te...

Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:03PM (#19640571)
Something I've been very unclear about for a long time: to what extent does the EU have jurisdiction over websites hosted and operated in non-EU countries, who don't do any business with the EU beyond serving web pages to EU IP addresses?

Presumably, if China asked Wikipedia to remove something, Wikipedia would say no, regardless fo whether doing so violates Chinese law... right? What makes China different from the EU?

This question applies to GDPR as well.

Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by tropo on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:58PM (#19640533)
How is archive.org not exempt? They are outside of EU jurisdiction unless they made the mistake of opening an office over there, which would be trivially fixable by shutting it down.
Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by vonmoltke on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:17PM (#19640671)
They are not exempt in the sense that the EU (or individual member states) will start blocking the Internet Archive if they don't comply.
Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:48PM (#19640860)
Is there any precedent for EU countries blocking websites due to libel claims? I don't think what you're describing has ever happened.
Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by tropo on Friday April 12, 2019 @04:55PM (#19648886)
Cool. Let the EU have their own little mini-Internet in complete denial of the existence of wrongthink.
Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by yellowapple on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:32PM (#19640759)
Wouldn't the same also apply for the Wikimedia Foundation?
Re:A German court forced the removal of a Wikipedia article’... by tropo on Thursday April 11, 2019 @09:46PM (#19641194)
I would hope so, but Wikipedia seems large enough to have servers over there.

If the EU can get away with this, what about North Korea and Saudi Arabia? Imagine a Wikipedia that can only say good things about Kim Jong-Un and doesn't contain any pictures of female faces.