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Re:Ford CEO says the company 'overestimated' self-driving cars by jandrese on Thursday April 11, 2019 @02:52PM (#19637922)
One of the things that hurts autonomous vehicles is that we're basically solving the most difficult situation up front: maneuvering in a world full of vehicles that are operated by unreliable watery sacks of meat that give no indication of their intentions. If all cars were autonomous and interconnected the problem would be far easier to solve.

That said, I think "decades" is overly pessimistic. There have been some great strides in computer vision and decision making over the past few years and the hardware is pressing ever onward. That said it will be decades (if ever) before we're willing to rip the controls out of the cabin entirely, but a level 4.5 system where the people in the car can do whatever while it drives and only need to intervene when the computer alerts them that there is a situation it cannot handle (but can stop a safe distance away from if necessary).

Re:Ford CEO says the company 'overestimated' self-driving cars by dsfyu404ed on Thursday April 11, 2019 @03:28PM (#19638253)
>operated by unreliable watery sacks of meat that give no indication of their intentions

We give plenty of indications. It's just that they're hard to define objectively.

Re:Ford CEO says the company 'overestimated' self-driving cars by the8472 on Thursday April 11, 2019 @04:43PM (#19638981)
> We give plenty of indications.

for some values of plenty < ε. As cyclist I can tell you that human drivers often don't even use their turn signals at intersections where it is important for me to know where they're going. And it's not like I'm sneaking up on them, it's when they're facing me at the other side of the intersection.

Re:Ford CEO says the company 'overestimated' self-driving cars by jandrese on Thursday April 11, 2019 @04:11PM (#19638643)
Sometimes, not always though. Anybody who has been cut off by the driver crossing 4 lanes of traffic without looking 20 feet before the end of the exit lane can attest.
Re:Ford CEO says the company 'overestimated' self-driving cars by linuxftw on Thursday April 11, 2019 @03:47PM (#19638430)
> we're basically solving the most difficult situation up front

I disagree. It's not up-front, there's been decades of work on autonomous systems such as drones, UAVs, trains, robots, etc.

It's just that it's a hard, if not impossible problem. Some companies thought they could successfully navigate this problem with enough data. I don't think it's a data problem, I think it's impossible to give real situational awareness to a machine, and that's the problem.

Re:Ford CEO says the company 'overestimated' self-driving cars by jandrese on Thursday April 11, 2019 @04:17PM (#19638709)
None of those were asked to navigate and interact on roads with non-autonomous vehicles. That's the hard part I'm referring to. Simply staying in the lanes and taking the right turns is relative easy compared to figuring out what the people in the other vehicles are going to do. If you set the bar such that they never misread the situation then yeah, that's going to make the job effectively impossible. If you set the bar at "as good as an attentive but not very smart human" then I think we can make it in a reasonable timeframe.

FWIW I know of at least one company that's developing their autonomous vehicles with a remote piloting feature. In the event that the vehicle runs into a situation it cannot handle control is passed to human operators in cubicles that take over control of the vehicle on the spot and release control only after clearing the obstacle and the on-board autonomy gives the green light. They also had ambitions to record what the human operator did and program that into other vehicles into the fleet on the fly as they approach the obstacle. It sounded very ambitious (and data hungry) to me, but is probably the only way to fully remove the controls from the vehicle cabin in the foreseeable future.