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Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by rayiner on Thursday April 11, 2019 @12:58PM (#19636618)
Atlanta is a great example of where it makes no sense to have bike lines. I lived in Atlanta for eight years. It’s a commuter city. The only people biking are relatively privileged yuppies living in the fancy new apartments and condos that have sprung up recently. Why spend public money, and inconvenience drivers in the process, for their sake?

If we’re going to use up a lane, let’s do it in a socially responsible way and make it a dedicated bus lane, which is what most people in need in Atlanta use to get around.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by bobwaycott on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:10PM (#19636768)
> Why spend public money, and inconvenience drivers in the process, for their sake?

Because the cyclists, too, are part of the public? It's not like that public money is solely sourced from automobile drivers. Many people I know who live and work and pay taxes in Atlanta cycle and drive, depending on where they're going. Are you really suggesting auto-drivers are more important citizens whose convenience matters more than the safety of others? Should Atlanta also start de-prioritizing safe sidewalks and crosswalks so people who are walking all over Midtown and downtown don't inconvenience the drivers? Suggesting the many people who aren't traveling along on 4 or more wheels should be ignored for the sake of convenience to those who are seems awfully silly.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by wozniacki on Thursday April 11, 2019 @02:44PM (#19637836)

  Because the cyclists, too, are part of the
  public? It's not like that public money is
  solely sourced from automobile drivers.
Then, would you be not opposed to requiring bicycles to be registered, bicyclists to be licensed & taxed just like cars & vehicular traffic does?

If you want a lane all to yourself isn't only fair that you pay your fair share toward the building, maintenance and repair of the lanes? Why should you get to use them free of cost?

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by zymhan on Thursday April 11, 2019 @02:56PM (#19637967)
We do pay our fair share, over half of the road funding in Georgia comes from general revenue, i.e. taxes everyone pays regardless of vehicle.

Don't act like my bike puts as much wear and tear on the road as your 3 ton SUV or the 18-wheelers and delivery trucks.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by megaremote on Thursday April 11, 2019 @11:20PM (#19641652)
You are delusional, as a car driver you are using trillions of dollars of infrastructure paid for by cyclists. When are you going to start paying for what you use? That is why I love toll roads so much, for once car drivers almost pay their way. You still don't pay for the pollution you cause, or the damage to do killing people.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by rayiner on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:12PM (#19636794)
I'm suggesting that it's not right to inconvenience the majority (drivers), for the sake of a relatively privileged minority (folks who can afford to live within cycling distance of their jobs downtown).
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by wool_gather on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:41PM (#19637137)
Before going too far down the road with this argument, you also need to figure out how many of those drivers would use something other than a car if it were feasible. The majority is not necessarily the majority by choice in this case.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by wozniacki on Thursday April 11, 2019 @02:56PM (#19637969)
It also is useful to bear in mind how small a slice of the larger society people who frequent HN represent.

It is easy to get carried away with these hyper arguments in favor of public transit, bicycling everywhere and for everyone, high density living and removing parking wherever possible.

It is helpful to bear in mind that just because a small canal-ridden city of 800,000 people ( Amsterdam has an area of 85 square miles while even NYC is 302 and Chicago is 234 ) has a high density of cyclists doesn't mean we shape policy for much of the Western world based on that small city of homogeneous people with homogeneous values and neighborhoods.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by u801e on Thursday April 11, 2019 @09:12PM (#19640998)
> you also need to figure out how many of those drivers would use something other than a car if it were feasible.

The one thing that debunks that argument is the fact that people aren't replacing their cars with motorcycles.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by zymhan on Thursday April 11, 2019 @02:12PM (#19637469)
Assuming people who bike to work are rich is ridiculous, you will see plenty of working class folks using a bike to get to their destination in this city.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by amanaplanacanal on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:26PM (#19640717)
Poor people ride bikes at much higher rates than rich people. Keeping a car is expensive, and especially expensive for the poor.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by pcwalton on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:35PM (#19640373)
> The only people biking are relatively privileged yuppies living in the fancy new apartments and condos that have sprung up recently.

Not true in Houston, which is pretty much the same. (I couldn't find data for Atlanta, unfortunately.) https://kinder.rice.edu/sites/g/files/bxs1676/f/files/2015/1...

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by rayiner on Friday April 12, 2019 @10:25AM (#19645050)
Interesting data point. Doesn't match my experience from Atlanta and D.C., but maybe I'm not looking for cyclists in the right places.