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Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by whoisjuan on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @07:46PM (#19629779)
Amazon apart, what's inmmoral about labeling data that you got with the consent of the user?

It's hard to appreciate what you are saying when you're basically judging the incentive of economic/technological progress as an inmmoral behavior (in this case the intention of improving a technology)

Labeling data and training a machine learning model sounds far from inmoral. Perhaps for some people the idea of companies developing machine learning models and capturing data to train them is an ethically gray concept.

Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by codedokode on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @08:58PM (#19630170)
Does Amazon clearly says that everything you say to Alexa will be recorded and reviewed by its employees? Or they prefer to hide this somewhere in the legal documents using vague wordings? That's what is wrong. They know that if they say about it explicitly, their product will look worse than competitors', so they try to hide it.
Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by Analog24 on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @09:08PM (#19630226)
Everything you say is not reviewed by employees, that would be impossible given the scale. It clearly says in the article that a very small sample are chosen for human annotation. Every single voice assistant uses supervised machine learning algorithmns, which require labeled data. It won't look better or worse than any of the others in that regard.
Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by codedokode on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @09:31PM (#19630352)
Yes, I meant "everything you say is recorded and might be reviewed by employees". But Amazon doesn't have to make every customer a beta-tester. And Alexa could give a warning when setting up for the first time, something like "Look, we are recording everything you tell me so please don't say something too embarassing or something that might get you into a trouble with police". While this is what any honest person should do, no way Amazon or any other major tech company does this.
Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by Analog24 on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @09:41PM (#19630400)
I don't disagree, it probably should be made more explicit to customers that someone could listen to certain things said to the device. I just wanted to point out that there is a big difference between reviewing everything a customer says and having the possibility of certain phrases reviewed.
Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by visarga on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:58AM (#19631540)
> Does Amazon clearly says that everything you say to Alexa will be recorded and reviewed by its employees?

Thing is, they can't possibly review everything. Tagging is hard. The taggers can accomplish 1000 data points per day, as the article says. They can only cover a tiny portion of the Alexa data, and probably they use some algorithm to select which part would benefit the model most.

Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by AlexandrB on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @08:08PM (#19629901)
> Amazon apart, what's inmmoral about labeling data that you got with the consent of the user?

They don't have my consent and I'm increasingly surrounded by the damn things. Take a look at the comments about hotels, new condos, etc. that have Alexa or Google Home installed. And, of course, friends and family.

Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by thatoneuser on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @08:44PM (#19630090)
When did I give anyone consent? Because I used a monopoly's search engine? Because Facebook has data on me when I don't have an account?

And more to the point - what kind of hell is this where getting permission to my data where I have no say on the unethical ways they use it?

You're doing exactly what I'm saying with the shilling tho.

Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by Analog24 on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @09:00PM (#19630187)
Everyone who disagrees with you is a shill. Got it.
Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by thatoneuser on Thursday April 11, 2019 @06:17AM (#19632719)
Yeah I heard another shill say that a minute ago. No. Disagree all you want. I love dialectic and I'm always ready to change my mind.

It's just that there's a retarded level of corporate love in the world.

Re:Is Anyone Listening to You on Alexa? A Global Team Review... by Analog24 on Thursday April 11, 2019 @11:25AM (#19635506)
Dismissing someone as a shill, an ad hominem, is not a dialectic argument.