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Re:Open Questions about Generative Adversarial Networks by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @11:56PM (#19621698)
The main question is that of whether the produced image is a derivative work. The interesting requirement is that the derivative work has originality. I can't tell whether there's a legal definition of originality, or if it's an "I know it when I see it" kind of thing.

What's so interesting with ML is that there's a dense spectrum between memorization and originality. I hope in the future people start checking how much their models are memorizing.

My favorite case is Google's facts, like when you google "golden retriever weight." From other people going out, measuring it, writing it up, and publishing that info to the web, Google can extract the info and never direct traffic to those sites. I still don't know whether I think it's okay.

Re:Open Questions about Generative Adversarial Networks by gwern on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @10:39AM (#19625114)
GAN images are, I think, as far as humans go, pretty creative. It's easy to look at them knowing what they are and dismiss them (especially if you focus on the worst samples), but if you didn't know...

One of the things that has most amused me about creating https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net is watching the reactions to images being posted elsewhere, especially without (initial) attribution: not a few people like the faces enough to request info about the character or artist, or say that it looks a bit machine-learning-like but is obviously too good to actually be ML-generated, or compliment OP on their illustration! People have begun casually using them as avatars, and there's one account on Pixiv for just uploading TWDNE or other faces generated by my StyleGAN models.

Re:Open Questions about Generative Adversarial Networks by genai on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @11:59PM (#19621713)
Re:Open Questions about Generative Adversarial Networks by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @12:02AM (#19621727)
Legal question aside, it's still can't decide if I feel like it's dickish.

Even that has a spectrum, from "What is harry potter book is first?" to "What is the first line of harry potter?" to "What is the text of the first harry potter book?"

Re:Open Questions about Generative Adversarial Networks by notahacker on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @08:14AM (#19623844)
That does depend on jurisdiction and the definition of fact (for an extreme version the other way round: for a long time a UK copyright troll called Football DataCo claimed copyright of lists of UK football scores and demanded license fees - even where publishers actually obtained the scores from sending their own journalists to grounds. This was eventually overruled by the European Court of Justice, so it might be back again in future...)

A lot of Google's answers to questions veer towards being written opinions and original definitions anyway