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Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by Nursie on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:11AM (#19614802)
> this is an elaboration for your assertion, that was missing from your previous message.

Not really. Who else was it going to be, it's not like I'm the first to point this out.

> miners don't control who can transact with whom

Of course they do. It's up to them which transactions to include in a block.

> transaction fees are still orders of magnitude lower than the actual flat block reward

People who like bitcoin like to talk about inflation and QE as theft from their pockets. The block reward is a fee extracted from the ecosystem in the same way.

> bitcoin is not pure energy and i never claimed it was

"it's the first time in history we've been able to express and implement monetary value and security thereof in terms of pure energy"

So yeah, you did, you said it was monetary value expressed as pure energy, which is meaningless. It's not a measure of joules, and it's not the hashing which gives it value. Quite the opposite - the speculative value is what attracts the hashpower.

Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by keymone on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:57AM (#19615311)
> It's up to them which transactions to include in a block.

and "them" is not a single entity or even small number of entities. miners compete for block rewards and every transaction with a fee contributes to the profit - whatever malicious miners choose to leave out will be included by non-malicious miners making them more profitable.

calling miners middlemen when they would only have actual control over which transactions appear on the chain if majority of miners colluded (destroying the value proposition of bitcoin in the process) is very disingenuous.

> talk about inflation and QE as theft from their pockets. The block reward is a fee extracted from the ecosystem in the same way.

i don't even... QE and other fiscal measures are short term decisions made by bunch of powerful humans behind closed doors. Bitcoin emission schedule was decided ten years ago and has virtually zero chance of being changed without destroying the project and it's value. you must be trolling right now if you say you don't see the difference.

as for why is there bitcoin emission schedule at all - because that's probably the most fair process of distributing bitcoin.

> So yeah, you did, you said it was monetary value expressed as pure energy, which is meaningless

either you start reading and quoting me correctly or this discussion is over, i'm done with your manipulative tactics.

Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by village-idiot on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @12:22PM (#19616277)
I love how quoting you is a “manipulative tactic”.
Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by johnisgood on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @05:06AM (#19623006)
I think he implied that quoting him incorrectly is a manipulative tactic.
Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by village-idiot on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:42PM (#19627571)
https://imgur.com/a/bcAlwmo

He wasn't quoted incorrectly, the part within quotation marks is verbatim from keymone.

Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by keymone on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @12:25PM (#19616300)
I love how you didn't even notice that quote was doctored, which is my point entirely.
Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by village-idiot on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @04:21PM (#19618558)
I'm not sure why you'd make such a trivially disprovable claim, they quoted you word for word, it's very easy to prove that with a quick browser text search...
Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by keymone on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @09:39AM (#19624488)
you won't find "monetary value expressed as pure energy" anywhere but in comments by Nursie.

why would lie about such trivially verifiable thing?

Re:China says it wants to eliminate Bitcoin mining by village-idiot on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:34PM (#19627517)
https://imgur.com/a/bcAlwmo

The part between quotation marks, also known as "quoting", was taken word for word from your original comment.