Where's the line for you? Who is or isn't a "kid"? Is it just criminals that lose their kid status? Is it because they used a gun? What about an 8 year old that kills someone with a gun (either on purpose or accidentally) are they kids?

I think, as someone in my 30's, that pointing at a group of humans who are somewhere between middle school and college age and saying "those kids over there" makes sense.

Ask any developmental psychologist and they'll tell you: the brain is still developing, and 15 year olds are fucking idiots when it comes to long term consequences factoring into their decision making. "For most of human history" is a useless example because of all the other terribly stupid shit we did "for most of human history".

FOH with this "I decide who is a kid" nonsense, as if a bunch of law-abiding white kids of the same age wouldn't be called kids by most sane people.