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Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by RobertoG on Saturday April 06, 2019 @01:06PM (#19591732)
Maybe Australia should follow Norway sovereign fund idea:

"I don't think anyone expected the fund to ever reach $1 trillion when the first transfer of oil revenue was made in May 1996."

From: https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/19/investing/norway-pension-fu...

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by pytester on Saturday April 06, 2019 @04:24PM (#19592811)
In theory every country rich in natural resources should follow Norway's example but in practice the presence of natural resources tends to exert a strong corrupting influence on both the economy and the political system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by marvin on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:17PM (#19593054)
Norway only dodged this because we had a supremely visionary Iraqi visit the authorities, and managed to convince them of this danger while the industrial influence was still small enough for government to manage. It's a remarkably lucky coincidence.
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by aembleton on Saturday April 06, 2019 @06:22PM (#19593362)
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by sseppola on Sunday April 07, 2019 @04:08AM (#19595499)
Thanks!
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by LMYahooTFY on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:27PM (#19593101)
Is there a source of information you could point me to that explains more of this story?
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by maaaats on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:38PM (#19593159)
See my link to a sibling comment of yours
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by fireflies_ on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:24PM (#19593086)
Do you have any resources about this? It sounds like a fascinating story.
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by matsemann on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:38PM (#19593155)
Farouk al-Kasim. It's a fascinating story, glad I found this in webarchive as it's now behind a paywall.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100123225932/http://www.ft.com/...

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by aerophilic on Saturday April 06, 2019 @08:11PM (#19593859)
I really enjoyed the story... but find myself wondering what was the specific “magic” that made it work.

Nowadays everything is “setup” for the cooperation of public and private, but what are the key “ingredients” to make it happen?

The fact that this worked out, is it something unique to that situation, or cannot be duplicated?

The part I find most enticing is this idea of the government shouldering 50% of the risk, and industry only having to do 15%. If anyone could expand on this, I would appreciate it.

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by patrickk on Sunday April 07, 2019 @11:35AM (#19597420)
> Nowadays everything is “setup” for the cooperation of public and private, but what are the key “ingredients” to make it happen?

Norweigans trust their government, corruption is low, there's strong institutions already in place (a point specifically mentioned by al-Kasim in the Planet Money podcast) to ensure a competent and transparent execution of the plan. There's not many places in the world where all those factors exist sadly.

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by bscphil on Saturday April 06, 2019 @06:42PM (#19593476)
Thank you, this is fascinating!
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by netsharc on Saturday April 06, 2019 @11:42PM (#19594689)
Holy moly, what a story. I remember reading it a few years ago, and what a crazy example of butterfly effect. The one Norwegian girl who decided she wanted to be an au-pair in London, and met an Iraqi boy there, changed the whole country.
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by the-dude on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:25PM (#19593089)
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by ethbro on Saturday April 06, 2019 @09:36PM (#19594215)
Also the "resource curse".

Although a more accurate formulation seems to be the "sudden resource curse".

E.g. how the discovery that citrus prevents scurvy and the subsequent spike in prices likely led to the emergence of the Sicilian mafia

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by RobertoG on Saturday April 06, 2019 @05:05PM (#19593003)
In theory you are right but, in practice, that only happens because they don't follow Norway's example :-)
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by pxi on Saturday April 06, 2019 @07:06PM (#19593588)
Interestingly there's a connection between WA and Norway that not everyone is entirely pleased about: https://www.fightforthebight.org.au/
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by Ecolog on Saturday April 06, 2019 @04:51PM (#19592941)
Norway - the country that avoided the oil curse
Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by healsjnr1 on Saturday April 06, 2019 @10:36PM (#19594433)
We would love to. Trust me, we really really would.

But the is such huge amount of great mongering about corporate add mineral taxes that no major party will attack it.

The Minerals Council of Australia is incredibly well funded and hugely politically influential.

Re:Battery Reality: There’s Nothing Better Than Lithium-Ion ... by askvictor on Sunday April 07, 2019 @05:17AM (#19595720)
Nah, we're far too short sighted for that sort of thing.