well you can't assume who is downvoting

but the mods will tell you that it is "noisy" at the beginning and that you can't glean anything from it

they'll also tell you that you can't talk about voting (an interpretation of their site guidelines, when convenient), so you can't complain about it or even talk about it as that will also attract downvotes

and they'll also simultaneously believe that it is accurate for downvoted people to be rate-limited for hours on end, preventing them from even responding to a thread that could change how people view their original downvoted message, until any message that doesn't currently have consensus is censored completely and the "noise maker" is shadowbanned

there aren't that many mods here. would be nice if this was a little more holistic