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Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by ymolodtsov on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:32PM (#19584215)
Like any retailer does with its private brands on the same shelves?
Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by BoorishBears on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:41PM (#19584346)
The private brand doesn't have a magical ability to appear in your shopping cart when you pull out it out of the coral, or better integrate itself with the shelves in your home because the retailer also built that house.
Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by StavrosK on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:40PM (#19584324)
Yes.
Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by lostmyoldone on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:51PM (#19584467)
Not really.

It's trivial to change retailer, not so changing which app-store you use, especially not on Apple hardware.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by threeseed on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:26PM (#19584927)
No it's not trivial to change retailer for some products.

I can't buy a Tesla, Tiffanys etc at any other place except their retail store.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by cannonedhamster on Friday April 05, 2019 @02:22PM (#19585524)
If you add new tires to your Tesla when you sell them you can sell the new tires with it. Try selling your apps when you sell your old iPhone. Your car is also repairable. Your iPhone is meant to be thrown away. (Not an issue exclusive iPhones)
Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by threeseed on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:46PM (#19587360)
It is nonsense to say that iPhone is not repairable.

You can goto any city on this planet and find hundreds of small third party stores who will repair it. Everything from cracked screen, new case, battery replacement etc.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by lostmyoldone on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:50PM (#19584447)
Not really. You can usually choose another retail chain if you think the one you currently use is pricing competing products unfairly towardd with their own brand.

In the case of Apples App Store, you can't change store without a significant cost in both time and money. You literally have to buy a non-Apple phone to be able to change retailer. Potentially also having to leave behind significant already paid for products, both hardware and software.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by BoorishBears on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:02PM (#19584594)
Eh, while I’m staunchly against Apple's integrations, the App Store isn’t a relevant factor imo.

These are things inside one store, as in Spotify and Apple Music are both for sale in the one store, and while Apple takes a cut, which could force Spotify to increase their price, they do have full pricing autonomy.

I’m not entirely against the fact that Apple has a walled garden in the form of the App Store, just because they do seem to invest in keeping a certain standard of quality unlike Google, but I’d say that’s a separate issue.

And Spotify probably doesn’t want to be in the store business anyways even if Apple allowed it, Epic Games is probably the first major case I heard of a company doing similar on Android (where it’s allowed) and almost immediately they opened a security vulnerability into everyone’s phones so...

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by lostmyoldone on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:52PM (#19585242)
I don't really understand your counter argument. As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store, I can't see how the app store could ever be irrelevant in this particular comparison?
Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by BoorishBears on Friday April 05, 2019 @02:01PM (#19585342)
> As I was responding to a comment regarding similarities between the app store and a common retail store

I read that comment as regarding similarities between two different apps that stream music, and two different brands of the same product in a store.

The store the two brands are in isn't really relevant past the fact the same company that that owns the store owns one of the brands, and certainly the nature of the store doesn't affect the comparison.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by threeseed on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:25PM (#19584906)
Consumers buy an iPhone knowing that Apple runs the App Store.

If they thought that having multiple stores was important to them they would use Android.

Nobody is going into the phone purchasing process blind.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by lostmyoldone on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:45PM (#19585157)
I've worked selling retail electronics, it was long ago, but I can extrapolate and infer that people generally don't understand much about the app store, and almost nobody choose Apple because of some well though through reasoning behind different app store models.

What most people do understand is based on experience in the physical world, where expectations of fair pricing is reasonable, because when you can select whatever store you want, that is an expected effect.

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by BoorishBears on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:50PM (#19585225)
>almost nobody choose Apple because of some well though through reasoning behind different app store models.

No, but maybe they chose Apple because on Android their lockscreen got taken over by the top result for flashlight which is actually malware (something that happened to a family member and drove me to recommend Apple)

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by cannonedhamster on Friday April 05, 2019 @02:20PM (#19585497)
Why on Earth did your family member purchase an app that is literally provided by the os?
Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by BoorishBears on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:04PM (#19585921)
It was a free purchase and there wasn't a built-in flashlight app, just a flash light quick setting, and they weren't familiar with quick settings.

Also what kind of strange victim blaming is this? You want to know why they got a flashlight app instead of knowing why the top Play Store result is malware?

Re:Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers by captainredbeard on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:21PM (#19584849)
In addition, there's no shortage of competing services readily available. The only thing they might have to do is make it a separate, must-be-downloaded app. Anything else is kinda tyranny.