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Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by jayalpha on Friday April 05, 2019 @07:08AM (#19581412)
Since there won't be an ultimately and best product for ever, there is always a way to improve things. Then time and financial restrains come into place again.

Are you an engineer? Your argument sounds naive. Or to give a counter example: In the Soviet Union there were likely more accidents (normalized) compared to the west. Yet, they did not focus on maximizing profits.

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by ptidhomme on Friday April 05, 2019 @08:11AM (#19581710)
I am, and I have experienced many times what I'm talking about.

A simpler yet effective design (may it be initial or rework) comes at a much lower cost than a flawed one, which inevitably aggregates irrelevant complexities.

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by jayalpha on Friday April 05, 2019 @09:04AM (#19582082)
"aggregates irrelevant complexities"

Who decides this? This is not a trivial question.

The F-35 fighter is a good example. Trades many disadvantages (not fast, not good in dog-fighting, tremendous long maintenance time, low payload etc.) for one advantage. The F-35 may or may not be invisible to an able opponent. But this decision is a tremendous difficult one. Based on your argument, it would be better to stick with a simple design. This was worked for the Soviet Union in WW2 (don't build the best tank, build a decent one, build many).

You may like this story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_(short_story)

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by ptidhomme on Friday April 05, 2019 @11:24AM (#19583440)
Thanks for the suggested read, sounds interesting indeed.

I'm not comparing simple vs. complex but rather sound vs. flawed, although often sound = simpler than flawed.

The 737 here is yet another example of this : - the MAX design is flawed : faulty risk assessment of MCAS, seemingly unstable airframe in some configurations - a likely sound design could be : airframe rework, thorough risk assessment, extra pilot training...

While the flawed design came at a lower initial cost, it will now overrun the cost of a likely sound one (further rework + retrofit + sales/reputation damage + legal), including the cost of a probable longer design phase in the latter.

(I concede that legal/sales costs are not directly technical debt costs).

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by icebraining on Friday April 05, 2019 @08:39AM (#19581904)
You're talking about the cost of the product, but what about the cost of redesigning in itself? Including the opportunity cost of delaying the product to keep reworking the design.
Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by JshWright on Friday April 05, 2019 @07:35AM (#19581532)
How is that a counter example? Just because you're not focusing on profits doesn't mean you are focusing on rigorous engineering.
Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by jayalpha on Friday April 05, 2019 @09:00AM (#19582047)
rigorous engineering comes for free?