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Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by cm2187 on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:18AM (#19580431)
I agree with free Snowden. But Manning and Assange had a history of leaking unredacted personal information that is indefensible. In the case of Manning, I might add that the leak didn’t show any major wrong doing. It illustrated some case of collateral damage, which we always knew (and the US military keeps public records of). It showed the underbelly of the US diplomacy, which turns out to be rather clean (some ambassadors commenting that the memos look generally very insightful and professional). And it caused some red faces of people who shared thoughts with US diplomats in confidence, and I don’t see how that could possibly be a good thing. Assange and Manning is really leaking for the sole purpose of leaking.
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by Tepix on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:54AM (#19580598)
Manning revealed war crimes, yet the only person who went to prison was Manning.

That's all we need to know really. The system is broken und unable to fix itself.

Edit: Free Reality Winner

Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by GVIrish on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:59AM (#19580631)
The system is not perfect, but the reason Manning went to jail is because she made an indiscriminate leak of secrets of which she did not review before she released them.

Had she only released material on stuff she had thought to be a crime, then there would have been a much stronger case to be made as a whistle blower.

It would be like if someone working at a hospital exposed a medical fraud scheme but leaked all the patient records of thousands of people who had nothing to do with scheme. They'd probably get hit with criminal HIPAA violations.

The reason Manning is in jail right now is because she refused to testify to a grand jury about WikiLeaks and got hit with contempt of court. She had been given immunity to testify so the jail time is purely on her.

Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by coldtea on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:08AM (#19580664)
>The system is not perfect, but the reason Manning went to jail is because she made an indiscriminate leak of secrets of which she did not review before she released them.

And what gives a government a right to have secrets in the first place? Except itself of course...

Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by wmil on Saturday April 06, 2019 @11:55PM (#19594737)
Normal operation of government is going to require some secrets.

One of the things leaked by Manning was blunt assessments of foreign figures by diplomatic staff. That's exactly the sort of thing that needs to be kept secret for international relations to function.

Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by belorn on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:39AM (#19580800)
You mean like if manning had done as Daniel Ellsberg, she would not have been charged and put on trial?
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by GVIrish on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:17PM (#19586598)
Not saying she wouldn't have been charged anyway, just saying she would've had a stronger case that might have been winnable.
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by Spooky23 on Friday April 05, 2019 @07:04AM (#19581389)
That Manning matter is settled. She has immunity and double jeopardy protection. Sitting in jail in protest of a grand jury is a futile gesture that says more about Manning’s need for attention than anything else.
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by threwawasy1228 on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:29PM (#19584174)
I don't understand how you can claim this is a futile gesture. If she doesn't want to talk on the record, or state things which might involve snitching on someone I find that to be an admirable action to take.

By the end of the grand jury she will be freed, and she will be freed with the moral high ground. If you think having morals about not snitching is 'futile' that is your choice but many people take it very seriously.

Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by jonnybgood on Friday April 05, 2019 @06:17PM (#19587544)
Manning is willing to talk on the record and "snitch". She just doesn't want to do it behind closed doors. But all grand jury proceedings are done behind closed doors for good reason. Manning has no moral high ground here.
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by threwawasy1228 on Friday April 05, 2019 @08:17PM (#19588298)
Secret proceedings simply shouldn't exist. I think personally that grand juries that are allowed to hold people indefinitely because they don't want to talk in a secret proceeding is wrong. Also, if she talks in a secret proceeding nobody will know if she deliberately said something incriminating aka 'snitched' or just gave innocuous information.

Since her giving secret testimony would raise doubts as to whether she snitched or not, she wants to do so openly in order to maintain her public good-will as a non-snitch. I think you are mistaken in saying that she doesn't have the moral high ground here. These proceedings should be illegal in this country, you shouldn't be allowed to hold someone for unspecified sentences to torture them into talking. That isn't how testimony should be gotten. I'm appalled by some of the opinions here.

Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by TaylorAlexander on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:25PM (#19584114)
You don’t think gunning down journalists and innocent civilians from a helicopter is “major wrong doing?”
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by gotocake on Friday April 05, 2019 @02:54PM (#19585837)
War is messy, imprecise, and inevitably involves unintended (or possibly intended) civilian casualties. It’s a great argument for avoiding wars that aren’t absolutely necessary.
Re:Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeak... by raxxorrax on Friday April 05, 2019 @07:05AM (#19581391)
I think it is far more defensible than illegally collecting this information and making the leak necessary and required in the first place. Since there are no repercussions for the latter, I don't see how you could call it indefensible. Since allegedly nothing happened.