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Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by cm2187 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @07:32PM (#19578195)
In all fairness this plane is only a danger to its crew (and to regular commuters). Even without the software fix, the probability that you get into a crash in one of the few times in a year when you make a leg in this plane is still infinitesimal. For the crew that spends the whole year in there, different story.
Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by heisenbit on Friday April 05, 2019 @06:27AM (#19581222)
By my calculation the plane was flying roundabout 100.000 days with 2 accidents. Assuming 2 round-trips a day maybe 200.000 takeoff during this time. One crash every 100.000 take-offs.

Now assuming 40.000 road deaths per year in the US and 300.000.000 citizens we have 0.000133 probability to suffer a road death a year. Assuming one 737MAX round trip per quarter we have 8 take-offs so .00008 probability to die in a 737MAX. Assuming commuter 40 trips a year we have a risk much higher than the average road death risk.

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by m_mueller on Friday April 05, 2019 @01:15AM (#19579906)
I assume that AoA sensor disagree would have been warned about still on the ground. Even if both fail, a new take off checklist will probably include comparing AoA information with analog instruments. If one sensor failure is 10E-5, two simultaneous should be 10E-10, multiplied with assumption of competence (say 99/100 will now know how to deal with it), which gives 10E-11 - 10E-12. I.e. I wouldn't worry about MCAS anymore after every plane has been updated.

What I would worry about is departure stalls, as MCAS doesn't seem to solve these. I wonder whether there isn't another 10E-5 to 10E-6 risk in there and people have just been lucky so far. Another MAX8 crash involving a stall would kill this plane I think, as it would prove much more that it's inherently unsafe.

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by dvdkhlng on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:16AM (#19580421)
> If one sensor failure is 10E-5, two simultaneous should be 10E-10.

That only holds if errors are statistically independent. See also Common Mode Failure [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cause_and_special_cause...

Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by pmyteh on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:23AM (#19580739)
From the FDR data in the report, it seems that the AoA sensor disagreements on this flight didn't start until after takeoff. I don't know if this is the normal failure mode.
Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by SmellyGeekBoy on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:34AM (#19580775)
Indeed. The speculation is that it was caused by a bird strike during takeoff.
Re:Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg Addresses the Ethiopian Airl... by justincormack on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:45AM (#19581048)
That is not how plane safety is done.