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Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by EpicEng on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:13AM (#19573257)
So... you don't think MIT is in the top tier?
Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by Armisael16 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:19AM (#19573322)
It's bizarre that they felt the need to introduce MIT.
Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by bigger_cheese on Thursday April 04, 2019 @07:16PM (#19578074)
I've heard of the school but first thought wouldn't have been elite.

I'm Australian maybe elite has different nuances here I've always consider elite universities as the ones with centuries of pedigree Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard - the "sandstone" universities with their "old boys network" and all of that...

Compared to those schools I only have a passing familiarity with MIT, Richard Stallman was from MIT his really the only person I can think of off the top of my head compared to Cambridge which had people like Steven Hawking, Isaac Newton etc.

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:23AM (#19573386)
Surely that depends on how many schools you think the top tier should include. I don't think it's #1.

But as Armisael16 says, I think it's strange that Reuters had to qualify it as an "elite US school", implying that it isn't one. What would you think of a news article beginning "The Pope, a prominent religious leader, ..."?

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by jeremyis on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:38AM (#19573580)
What’s #1 then? :)
Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:41AM (#19573612)
In terms of prestige? Harvard.

In terms of academic excellence? Cal Tech.

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by alehul on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:49AM (#19573714)
Found the Caltech student!

Jokes aside, why not include MIT or UChicago? The former is arguably a bigger Caltech, and the latter is extremely rigorous, even if not focused on engineering.

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:01PM (#19573891)
> Jokes aside, why not include MIT or UChicago?

...How many schools do you think can fit in the #1 spot?

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by alehul on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:41PM (#19574344)
Touché! I suppose I'm partially criticizing the idea of a #1, but that aside, there's a fair point to be made that MIT would beat a smaller version of it on any nominal measurement rather than per-capita.

Additionally, if you want to learn something academic that isn't technology, I'm not sure MIT or Caltech would win (or even be applicable), hence UChicago as a possibility for a general "best at academics" university.

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:44PM (#19575054)
If you want to learn something, top-tier universities aren't much better than many other options. They're top-tier by virtue of the glory they borrow from their students. We judge the "eliteness" of a school by what you can predict about an individual by the fact that they were admitted there.

And by that measure, Caltech is significantly outperforming in "academics".

Re:MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE by alehul on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:32PM (#19575616)
> If you want to learn something, top-tier universities aren't much better than many other options.

Very true. In fact, at colleges like Harvard and Columbia, higher grades are often easier to achieve than at the mid-tiers like Boston University and NYU.

With that said, there are colleges that force you to absorb copious amounts of information and fail you otherwise. UChicago is known for this. Is that not symbolic of being top in "academic excellence?".

What you're implying seems more like the "prestige" category, in which Harvard was mentioned as the winner above.

All of this aside the point, this doesn't explain how Caltech would be #1 in academic excellence for a college, above UChicago, and Caltech's larger equivalent, MIT.