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Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by ch4s3 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:24AM (#19572632)
Congestion pricing is essentially a usage fee, and is highly efficient from an economic perspective. Without charging drivers for roads they get paid for out of general funds. There’s nothing free about non-drivers subsidizing private transportation.

Furthermore, at artificially low prices, more people drive until congestion is unmanageable. Without that pricing your 45 minute drive might balloon to twice that amount of time. Congestion is so bad in NYC that interferes with city services, like busses.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by jstanley on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:34AM (#19572752)
> Congestion pricing is essentially a usage fee, and is highly efficient from an economic perspective.

While I agree in principle, congestion pricing is generally a monopoly and not subject to the ordinary pressures of supply and demand, which means there's little to stop the price from being too low or too high.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by amanaplanacanal on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:17PM (#19575423)
I would suggest that the normal price of $0 is too low.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by test6554 on Friday April 05, 2019 @11:14PM (#19588968)
Adding to this: Non-drivers who cause others to drive on their behalf such as a pizza delivery do pay for the roads indirectly. They pay the company which pays the usage fee.

So nobody can say they benefit indirectly without paying.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by dsfyu404ed on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:36AM (#19572788)
Everything has to be paid for at the end of the day. Personally I think all transit (regardless of who owns the rolling stock and whether the tires are rubber or steel) should come out of the general fund because everyone benefits from a robust transit network.

Congestion is not a big deal. People willing to put up with it will put up with it. People not willing to will use the resource at different times. You will never have a system that does not get congested at peak times. The more capacity you have the less time the system will run at peak capacity (compare rush hour start/end times across cities to see this). Think of it like dumping a 5gal bucket into the sink and system capacity being the drain size. This statement applies to road, rail and everything else.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by ch4s3 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:52AM (#19573756)
Congestion is not a big deal to drivers willing to spend their time in traffic.

It is a big deal to people waiting on services like fire trucks and ambulances. It is a big deal to people breathing air near roads. It is a big deal to public transit users whose needs often get de prioritized in favor of private cars.