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Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by drinfinity on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:42AM (#19572160)
Network above your pay-grade, these people are more interesting. Colleagues are useless.
Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by philipkiely on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:51AM (#19572249)
I strongly disagree with your points. Building a trusted group of peers is the most valuable action you can take in establishing a network. I don't dispute the value of mentors and high-ranking friends, I know many people who can attribute a large part of their success to the right person in the right position.

However, a group of peers provides the following benefits:

* support and camaraderie, as you are likely facing the same challenges at the same times

* a more natural connection and more conducive environment for meeting and regularly interacting

* a rising tide that raises the whole group, as you help each other gain more success

Finally, I would say that your idea comes dangerously close to the idea of "kissing up and kicking down," which I personally find to be an unfortunate and disingenuous style of network management that discourages me from working with that person.

Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by zolthrowaway on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:02AM (#19572372)
Did the people above my pay grade just magically get there? Are none of my colleagues ever going to advance in their careers? Why wouldn't I want to cast a wide net? Why wouldn't I be friendly and nice to my coworkers?

I've gotten jobs through former co-workers who have moved on to new companies. Some of my peers have been promoted into management and having a good relationship with them prior has given me a leg up. It's so incredibly easy to network with your colleagues. Just work hard and be a decent person and the network will create itself. Acting so dismissive of colleagues is short-sighted and silly.

Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by drinfinity on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:15AM (#19580418)
Oh right, I forgot to mention I'm not a wage slave and not in a hurry to become one either.

I was talking about actual business opportunities. Good luck getting anywhere by being friendly to the, quick frankly, annoyingly arrogant sysadmin. Sure, some of them are nice - although most of them aren't because of the nature of the job, but that's not the point. We all are "nice" people, that does not pay the bills.

Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by loco5niner on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:33AM (#19573522)
That's called brown-nosing and it's not attractive.
Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by yowlingcat on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:08PM (#19575974)
If you could effectively network above your pay-grade, your pay-grade would be different. Then again, if you think colleagues are useless, that will likely not help anything -- does that mean if you were your own colleague, you would think you are useless?
Re:Network Determines Success More Than People Realize by drinfinity on Friday April 05, 2019 @03:20AM (#19580438)
Yes, I would and it would be true too.