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Re:You probably don't need that hip web framework by jchw on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @08:32PM (#19559843)
My theory is its like this mostly because on HN because there's no downvote for posts. Everything useful that can be said about how bloated web frameworks supposedly are has pretty much been said imo, but there's a niche of people convinced every web app is actually simple and should be done using Netscape 4 era HTML.

I'm all for simplicity... but if you are developing a large web application, you probably would benefit from "heavy" web frameworks (they're not really that bad though.) What "large" is can be debated, but I'd argue most pages we use today are "large" enough. HN is a good exception. GitHub, large publications, webmail, online shops, anything dealing with realtime data... It's probably worth it.

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Re:You probably don't need that hip web framework by dcosson on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @11:56PM (#19560586)
Github is actually a great example - i think it's getting better gradually, but for a lot time it was really obvious that it was server-rendered pages with a few ajax calls sprinkled in to do small things like update the status when the tests finish. And it led to all kinds of weird edge cases and unpredictability, some things would live update, other things you need to do hard refresh to see the latest version, sometimes when using the back button it would reload the original version of the page before the ajax calls had succeeded so you'd see old data.

Clearly it wasn't bad enough to drive everyone off the platform, but there's no way you'll convince me that that was a better system that a well-written SPA built with modern tools.

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