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Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by d1zzy on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:04PM (#19556925)
> Airplanes are not gliders.

Actually... Wasn't there a famous case where the pilots managed to save a plane without engines by just gliding to an airport? Would such a thing even work on the MAX design?

Ah yes, here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by txcwpalpha on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:19PM (#19557058)
> Would such a thing even work on the MAX design?

Yes, because the problem with the MAX is that the engines provide an off-center-of-gravity thrust. If the engines weren't running, the MAX would glide just like any other 737.

There is also the case of the Gimli Glider [1], and any commercial airliner is certainly capable of "gliding" for at least some time, but I think the GP was adhering more to the actual definition of "glider" [2], which is an aircraft that can fly entirely without power from any engines at all.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glider_(aircraft)

Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by ams6110 on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:40PM (#19557259)
All jet airliners with engines under the wings have an "off-center-of-gravity" thrust. They all want to pitch up when thrust is applied. The MAX, with the engines higher and more forward, actually has less of an issue with this. The issue with the MAX is that the large engine nacelles forward of the wing can produce their own aerodynamic lift at high angles of attack. This is what MCAS compensates for.
Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by cal5k on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:22PM (#19557088)
Why would it not? You still have to be able to fly the thing in case of a dual engine failure.

MCAS has one function: give the MAX 8 flight characteristics that are similar enough to previous versions to not require significant training.

In fact, it's only when the engines are actually working that you'd need this... they're more powerful and further forward, meaning that at high thrust the aircraft will have more of a tendency to pitch up.

Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by salawat on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:37PM (#19557232)
Actually, the engines don't need to be on for the problematic behavior to manifest since the extra lift at high AoA is a direct result of the geometry of the wing+nacelle.
Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by cal5k on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @03:20PM (#19557671)
That's fair, but I can't imagine it would be a problem at the attitude required for optimal glide slope in an engine-out scenario?
Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by salawat on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @07:01PM (#19559399)
You are correct. The parts of the flight envelope where this is a problem are very high (approaching critical) AoA, or in a very tight, highly banked turn. These would not be maneuvers I'd imagine any pilot engaging in without engine power except maybe in the most dire circumstances.
Re:Boeing delays 737 MAX software fix delivery by jaclaz on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:31PM (#19557167)
And it's not the only case, JFYI:

List of airline flights that required gliding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_flights_that_r...

including several 737's (plain ones, not "MAX"), most notably:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACA_Flight_110