Sovereign Citizens Helped Swindle $1B from the Government They Disavow

Re:Sovereign Citizens Helped Swindle $1B from the Government... by mindslight on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:32PM (#19537309)

> the theories posit that despite this, there is some deeper framework of law that the government still has to obey

Isn't this the spirit of hacking in general?

Of course, they're trying to hack a system rooted in fundamentals that undermine hacking. So rather than a vulnerability leading to a "full compromise", the best that can be obtained is a minor advantage.

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Re:Sovereign Citizens Helped Swindle $1B from the Government... by crooked-v on Sunday March 31, 2019 @04:53PM (#19538309)

When you apply "hacking" to the law, if you don't already know what you're doing very well, it usually ends up called "fraud".

https://xkcd.com/1494/

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Re:Sovereign Citizens Helped Swindle $1B from the Government... by AstralStorm on Sunday March 31, 2019 @09:05PM (#19539591)

Also embezzlement or violation of tax code. Sometimes even racketeering.

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Re:Sovereign Citizens Helped Swindle $1B from the Government... by mindslight on Sunday March 31, 2019 @05:23PM (#19538491)

"Fraud" is applicable to hacking contracts, not law in general. But yes, that's an example of what I meant by "fundamentals that undermine hacking".

Similarly, relying on technicalities you will still get tripped up by mens rea.

But other model-playing optimizations like tax avoidance are perfectly acceptable. As I said, "minor advantage" rather than "full compromise".

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